[C38] three blade fixed propeller

Philip Gay eyriepg at msn.com
Wed Oct 26 09:40:38 EDT 2005


I was talking with a high end boat dealer at the Seattle boat show last month and he commented that the true measure of the quality of a boat is how well it takes a grounding.  He mentioned that Swans and Baltics are designed to sail in rocky Scandinavian waters.  Outside of the keel, how much damage was done to the keel stub?

Phil Gay
C38 049 Que Linda 
Everett, WA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charles Finn<mailto:charles at finn.ws> 
  To: Catalina 38 Listserve<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller


  Kerry,  The listserve is alive and well!  I for one have been busy 
  hauling and preparing the Mighty Quinn for the winter.  This always is 
  an expensive and time consuming exercise up here where the water gets 
  "hard" for 3-4 months!  At the same time, it is an opportunity to 
  carefully check out the bottom of the boat.... including the area on the 
  keel where I grounded hard on a reef in heavy weather (I normally would 
  sail right over, but I hit the reef in a trough of a wave at about 7 
  knots).  I took out a good slice of lead at the leading, bottom edge, 
  which will require some significant work.     So, I now am considering 
  whether I should take this opportunity to modify the keel with the Mars 
  torpedo.  Has anyone on the list actually done this?

  Charles Finn
  Mighty Quinn #114

  Kerry Grimes wrote:

  >empty wrote:
  >  
  >
  >>I have been happy with my 14x12 3 bladed bronze prop fitted in 2004.
  >>Unfortunately I don't know who supplied it as it was sourced by Salt Creek
  >>Boat Works in St Pete, FL. who used it to replace the original 1981 prop of
  >>the same spec. Unfortunately I could not recommend SCBW, but that's a whole
  >>other long story.
  >>I usually trundle along at 6.5knots on 1800 rpm, although I can go faster
  >>this gives me my best mpg figures for long trips - about 0.7 gal per hour.
  >>The propwalk can be quite vicious, but now I've got used to it, and have
  >>adopted the same tactics as John Erlandson, it works fine, and is very
  >>useful for coming alongside port side to.
  >>Mark Turner, The Goose, hull# 80
  >>
  >>----- Original Message ----- 
  >>From: "Charles Finn" <charles at finn.ws<mailto:charles at finn.ws>>
  >>To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org>>
  >>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:38 AM
  >>Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>Well, I pretty confused now!  Is anybody out there really happy with
  >>>their prop (assuming you still have the 5424 engine and drive train).
  >>>And if so, where/who would you rcocmmend buying this from?
  >>>Please note we are now running our own website and can post
  >>>gear/equipment recommendations.  We can also steer each other clear of
  >>>some of the bad deals there are out there....   This of course was not a
  >>>posibility while we were with Sailnet.
  >>>
  >>>Charles Finn
  >>>Mighty Quiinn #114
  >>>Burlinton, VT
  >>>
  >>>Philip Gay wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>      
  >>>
  >>>>I commented before about my experience with my Yanmar 3GM30, but will
  >>>>repeat.  My engine is rated at 27hp max at 3600rpm but 24hp continuous
  >>>>at 3600rpm.  Its displacement is 1 litre.
  >>>>
  >>>>I was overpropped with my folding Martec and could do 6.8 kts at
  >>>>2800rpm, but I burned oil like crazy on a 100 hour old engine.  I
  >>>>could do about 7 knts at 3600rpm.  I repropped with a 3 blade Maxprop
  >>>>and now do only 6.2 kts at 2800 rpm but can get close to 7.5 knts at
  >>>>3600 rpm.  I have more potential speed but cruise slower.
  >>>>
  >>>>However, let 2 months of slime build up on the bottom, even with a
  >>>>clean prop, my cruise speed drops to 5.7 knots.
  >>>>
  >>>>BTW, I bought the Maxprop for better reverse power and hoped less prop
  >>>>walk.  Well it gives much better reverse power AND much more prop
  >>>>walk.  I believe the only way to get away from prop walk is to go to a
  >>>>Saildrive.
  >>>>
  >>>>Phil Gay
  >>>>C38 049 Que Linda
  >>>>Everett, WA
  >>>>
  >>>>   ----- Original Message -----
  >>>>   *From:* Rich West <mailto:rw at idea-asylum.com<mailto:rw at idea-asylum.com>>
  >>>>   *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org>>
  >>>>   *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2005 7:34 PM
  >>>>   *Subject:* Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>
  >>>>   I have experienced more prop walk in reverse with a two bladed prop.
  >>>>
  >>>>   Wow, I wish I made the speed some of you make.  I just repowered
  >>>>   with a
  >>>>   Yanmar 3YM30 and I get about 6 knots at 3000 (it's a  3600 RPM
  >>>>   engine).  I
  >>>>   make about 5.5 at 2600.  I get about the same speed as I did with
  >>>>   my old
  >>>>   Universal M35 (although at lower RPM for the universal).  I think
  >>>>        
  >>>>
  >>I'm
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>>   burning less fuel, but not by too much.  My boat is WAY
  >>>>   overweight.  I guess
  >>>>   that accounts for some of the speed difference.
  >>>>
  >>>>   It's sure nice to have this listserve back - THANK YOU!
  >>>>
  >>>>   Rich, Legacy #360
  >>>>
  >>>>   P.S. My old Universal is still for sale!  $1500.
  >>>>   http://www.idea-asylum.com/univ/index.html<http://www.idea-asylum.com/univ/index.html> - yea, it says $1800,
  >>>>   but I'm
  >>>>   more anxious now.
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>   -----Original Message-----
  >>>>   From: Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>
  >>>>   <mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>>
  >>>>   [mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]On Behalf Of Jim and
  >>>>        
  >>>>
  >>Barbara
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>>   Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:00 PM
  >>>>   To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
  >>>>   Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>   Chapman's has a good discussion of prop walk.  Primary cause is
  >>>>   the angled
  >>>>   shaft; I'm not sure that the prop makes much difference.  Our boat
  >>>>   makes 6+
  >>>>   knots at 2000 rpm with a 2-blade folding prop.
  >>>>
  >>>>   Jim Williams
  >>>>   C38 #180
  >>>>   Checks in the Mail
  >>>>   Norfolk, VA
  >>>>
  >>>>   -----Original Message-----
  >>>>   From: Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>
  >>>>   <mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>>
  >>>>   [mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles Finn
  >>>>   Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:31 PM
  >>>>   To: Catalina 38 Listserve
  >>>>   Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>
  >>>>   The Mighty Quinn makes 5.5 kts at 2400 rpm with a two blade fixed
  >>>>   prop (by
  >>>>   both of my GPS gadgets).  My old Signet guages regularly told me
  >>>>   something
  >>>>   higher and my Navman units calibrated out of the box agree with my
  >>>>   GPS.
  >>>>   BTW, the bottom paint was new last year and I am in fresh water
  >>>>   with almost
  >>>>   no bottom growth.
  >>>>   I am thinking of going to a 3 blade prop because I have heard it
  >>>>   will reduce
  >>>>   "prop walk."  Is that true?
  >>>>
  >>>>   Thanks,
  >>>>   Charles Finn
  >>>>   Mighty Quinn  #114
  >>>>   Lake Champlain
  >>>>   Burlington, Vt.
  >>>>
  >>>>   empty wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>   >That's in a calm no wind sea (which, of course, is the only time we
  >>>>   >sailors use the engine ), but I bet you sail faster than me!!!!!!
  >>>>        
  >>>>
  >>The
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>>   >strength of the stern kick in reverse took a little getting used
  >>>>   to. I
  >>>>   >believe that is not much of a problem with the folding prop.
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >Mark The Goose hull #80
  >>>>   >----- Original Message -----
  >>>>   >From: "Duff, Russ (R.W.)" <rduff at visteon.com<mailto:rduff at visteon.com>
  >>>>   <mailto:rduff at visteon.com<mailto:rduff at visteon.com>>>
  >>>>   >To: "'Catalina 38 Listserve'" <Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org>
  >>>>   <mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org>>>
  >>>>   >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:25 PM
  >>>>   >Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >>Wow!  6.5 knots at 1800 rpm?!  I'm lucky if I get 5.5 knots at
  >>>>   2500rpm
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >with
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >>my feathering prop.
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>Sincerely,
  >>>>   >>Russ Duff
  >>>>   >>Catalina 38, Hull #112
  >>>>   >>"AVANTURA"
  >>>>   >>Lake Erie
  >>>>   >>Grosse Ile, Michigan
  >>>>   >>RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>-----Original Message-----
  >>>>   >>From: Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>
  >>>>   <mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>>
  >>>>   >>[mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of empty
  >>>>   >>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:14 PM
  >>>>   >>To: Catalina 38 Listserve
  >>>>   >>Subject: Re: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>Hi Max,
  >>>>   >>The Goose has a bronze 14 x 12 fixed three blade prop installed
  >>>>   in 2004.
  >>>>   >>Pushes her along fine at 6.5 knots at 1800rpm on her original
  >>>>   >>Universal
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >for
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >
  >>>>   >>hour after hour. best wishes. Mark
  >>>>   >>----- Original Message -----
  >>>>   >>From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at hotmail.com<mailto:maxsoto at hotmail.com>
  >>>>        
  >>>>
  >><mailto:maxsoto at hotmail.com<mailto:maxsoto at hotmail.com>>>
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>>   >>To: <Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org> <mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org<mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org>>>
  >>>>   >>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:55 PM
  >>>>   >>Subject: [C38] three blade fixed propeller
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>>Hi everybody,
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>>I'm plannig on buying a spare propeller for the Estancia. I
  >>>>   have the
  >>>>   >>>original 5424 with the original fixed two blade 15"x13"
  >>>>   (according to
  >>>>   >>>the 38org. specs.). I remember that there was some mails a few
  >>>>   months
  >>>>   >>>ago about Martec and
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>some
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>
  >>>>   >>>other folding propeller, but none about fixed ones.
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>>I read that a fixed three blade was an option from Catalina. Do
  >>>>        
  >>>>
  >>any
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>>   >>>of you know what's the three blade propeller number for this boat
  >>>>   >>>with this engine????
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>>I'll really appreciate youy help.
  >>>>   >>>
  >>>>   >>>Max Soto
  >>>>   >>>C38 #198 ESTANCIA
  >>>>   >>>Puntarenas, Costa Rica
  >>>>   >>>
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