[C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
Les
hlhowell at pacbell.net
Fri May 9 20:53:29 EDT 2008
It is supposed to adhere to the mast, not the partners at least as I
understand it. But how it goes back in I don't know?
Regards,
Les H
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 13:52 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
> www.riggingonly.com has different kind of wedges too.
>
> If I use spartite, does it has to be replaced every time I take out
> the mast, or that's what the vaseline is for, to avoid permanet
> bonding?
>
> Max
>
>
> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
> Rigrite. I forgot about them. Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Russ Duff
> Catalina 38, Hull #112
> "AVANTURA"
> Lake Erie
> Grosse Ile, Michigan
> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> Russ,
> Here is one
> place: http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical
> wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
> > OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet,
> catalinaowners.com,
> > sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find
> mast wedges.
> > Where else could I look?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Russ Duff
> > Catalina 38, Hull #112
> > "AVANTURA"
> > Lake Erie
> > Grosse Ile, Michigan
> > RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> > AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> > [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> >
> > Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a
> ship, so in
> > that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope
> is not fully
> > impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I
> am not sure
> > what would happen to nylon long term.
> > However, the mast partners help transfer the energy
> from the sail to
> > the boat hull. On our boats, the original design was to
> shim the mast
> > into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock
> loads, deal
> > with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the
> fiberglass
> > and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's
> deck.
> >
> > With no shims, the loads are being held only by the
> mast step (about
> > a
> > 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it
> to the mast
> > step). I suspect that over time, this would mean some
> issues to the
> > step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about
> that. Also
> > shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to
> strike the
> > partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the
> partners to take
> > more stress than intended. Again, the designers could say
> more about
> > that.
> >
> > Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast
> without securing it
> > to
> > the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no
> shims in your
> > installation?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Les H
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast,
> deck and
> >> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water
> to come in.
> >> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal
> tape.
> >> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
> >> Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast
> partner
> >> any more waterproof than a good mast boot. Am I
> missing
> >> something? I installed a good rubber mast boot
> (appropriately
> >> sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use
> any shims
> >> when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Russ Duff
> >> Catalina 38, Hull #112
> >> "AVANTURA"
> >> Lake Erie
> >> Grosse Ile, Michigan
> >> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> >>
> >> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ______________________________________________________________
> >> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> >> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf
> Of Steve
> >> Smolinske
> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
> >> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to
> be careful
> >> with spartite both commented to make sure you
> follow the
> >> directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the
> deck ring.
> >> If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to
> both the
> >> mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to
> remove the
> >> mast in the future. We just had a new boot put on
> when the
> >> mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the
> future I am
> >> going to use the spartite. I like the load
> deflection
> >> characteristics along with all the reviews about
> how well it
> >> seals.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ______________________________________________________________
> >> From: Les
> >> Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
> >> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
> >> > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite. My mast
> and collar
> had
> >>
> > taken
> >
> >> > a
> >> > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
> application
> of
> >>
> > mast
> >
> >> > shims. Spartite solved this problem and I no
> longer get any
> >>
> > water
> >
> >> > coming in the cabin from the mast. Even better,
> mast stress on
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> > deck
> >> > is evenly distributed which can never happen with
> shims.
> >>
> >> I'll second that. We had water on every wet day
> coming into
> Jace.
> >>
> > No
> >
> >> delamination or other problems, but the mess on
> >> the cushions at the forward port settee on the
> dinette were
> >>
> > miserable.
> >
> >> Spar-tite fixed it. And our clay dam is still
> inplace as well.
> >>
> > We had
> >
> >> it done when the mast was pulled and painted. We
> replaced all
> the
> >> standing rigging at that time as well.
> >>
> >> Someone asked about another location for leaks that
> caused drops
> >>
> > near or
> >
> >> at their chain plates. On JACE the windows were
> leaking, and the
> >> stanchions were leaking. We redid the windows
> (thank you
> Catalina
> >> Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new
> hardware. The
> >>
> > leaks
> >
> >> ceased. Last week at the boat we noticed some new
> drops.
> >>
> > Checking it
> >
> >> looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with
> that), or the
> >>
> > tracks
> >
> >> for the fairleads. That I can do myself, so
> sometime in the next
> >>
> > week
> >
> >> or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
> >>
> >> My current project is to add solar panels. I have
> two 65 watt
> >>
> > Kyocera
> >
> >> panels which measuer about 30x25. I am rigging a
> support across
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold
> a 1" stainless
> >>
> > rail
> >
> >> onto which I will clamp the solar panels. This
> will add about
> >>
> > 25lbs or
> >
> >> so to the dodger, but should be well within
> limits. The wind
> >>
> > loading
> >
> >> would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless
> pipe stand with
> >>
> > 1"
> >
> >> cross bar is one of the options for most solar
> installations for
> >>
> > panels
> >
> >> up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than
> 1/4 that in
> wind
> >> loading because they will be shielded by the dodger
> and mast.
> >>
> > Time will
> >
> >> tell.
> >>
> >> I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our
> next
> >>
> > purchases.
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Les H
> >> JACE
> >>
> >>
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> >> Max Soto
> >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
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