[C38] Spartite VS Mast boot

S. Orton ssorton at sbcglobal.net
Sat May 10 00:25:25 EDT 2008


Phil,  How about using the keel bolts as an alignment tool- at least for a 
check.  Steve O
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Gay" <eyriepg at comcast.net>
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot


> Russ,
>
> Actually it's not obvious at all since the boat is probably not floating
> perfectly level.  Que Linda appears to list to port, but I'm hoping that
> centering the mast step (moving it to port) will correct some of it.  The
> way to determine the center of the cabin sole was described to me by the
> LeFiell C38 owner.  He clamped a couple of 2x4s together and stretched 
> them
> out across the cabin through the cabinets to the hull on each side of the
> boat.  He used the hull to deck joints as a reference.  He measured the
> middle of the 2x4s and placed another 2x4 (vertically mostly) 
> perpendicular
> to the 2x4s across the boat at the midpoint.  Where the board meets the
> floor is the middle of the boat.
>
> If this method is flawed, please let me know because I plan to use it next
> month.
>
> Phil Gay
> C38 049 Que Linda
> Everett, WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Duff, Russ (R.W.)
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:31 AM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> I have the same problem with where the mast is centered; though I can't
> remember which side, but I think it is starboard also. How can you tell 
> the
> step is off center? What reference points did you measure from, or is it
> just that obvious?
>
> Sincerely,
> Russ Duff
> RDUFF at VISTEON.COM
> Product Assurance Electrical Engineer
> Visteon Corporation
> 25.2.027
> One Village Center Drive
> Van Buren Township, MI 48111-5711
>
> Phone: 734-710-8713
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Phil Gay
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:47 PM
> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> One of the reasons that I didn't use Spartite was that my mast stood 
> within
> 1/8" of the starboard side of the partners.  I recently learned from a C38
> owner at LeFiell that some mast steps were installed off center of the 
> boat.
> I compared my mast step with other C38s this year and finally realized 
> that
> my mast step is off center not the partners.  When I replace my mast this
> summer, I plan to move the step to centerline which is to port about 1 
> inch.
>
> Phil Gay
> C38 049 Que Linda
> Everett, WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:44 AM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not fully
> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not sure
> what would happen to nylon long term.
> However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the sail to
> the boat hull.  On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>
> With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step (about
> a
> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the mast
> step).  I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that.  Also
> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
> more stress than intended.  Again, the designers could say more about
> that.
>
> Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without securing it
> to
> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
> installation?
>
> Regards,
> Les H
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>>         Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>         any more waterproof than a good mast boot.  Am I missing
>>         something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>         sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>         when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>
>>
>>
>>         Sincerely,
>>         Russ Duff
>>         Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>         "AVANTURA"
>>         Lake Erie
>>         Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>         RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>
>>         AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         ______________________________________________________________
>>         From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>         [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>         Smolinske
>>         Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>         To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>         with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>         directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>         If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>         mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>         mast in the future.  We just had a new boot put on when the
>>         mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>         going to use the spartite.  I like the load deflection
>>         characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>         seals.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         ______________________________________________________________
>>         From: Les
>>         Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>         To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>         > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite.  My mast and collar 
>> had
> taken
>>         > a
>>         > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous application 
>> of
> mast
>>         > shims.  Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get any
> water
>>         > coming in the cabin from the mast.  Even better, mast stress on
> the
>>         > deck
>>         > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>
>>         I'll second that.  We had water on every wet day coming into 
>> Jace.
> No
>>         delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>>         the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
> miserable.
>>         Spar-tite fixed it.  And our clay dam is still inplace as well.
> We had
>>         it done when the mast was pulled and painted.  We replaced all 
>> the
>>         standing rigging at that time as well.
>>
>>         Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused drops
> near or
>>         at their chain plates.  On JACE the windows were leaking, and the
>>         stanchions were leaking.  We redid the windows (thank you 
>> Catalina
>>         Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.  The
> leaks
>>         ceased.  Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
> Checking it
>>         looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or the
> tracks
>>         for the fairleads.  That I can do myself, so sometime in the next
> week
>>         or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>
>>         My current project is to add solar panels.  I have two 65 watt
> Kyocera
>>         panels which measuer about 30x25.  I am rigging a support across
> the
>>         center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1" stainless
> rail
>>         onto which I will clamp the solar panels.  This will add about
> 25lbs or
>>         so to the dodger, but should be well within limits.  The wind
> loading
>>         would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand with
> 1"
>>         cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations for
> panels
>>         up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in 
>> wind
>>         loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
> Time will
>>         tell.
>>
>>         I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
> purchases.
>>
>>         Regards,
>>         Les H
>>         JACE
>>
>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Max Soto
>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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