[C38] Catalina 38 in NW and Racing

Joseph Launie jlaunie at cox.net
Sun May 11 15:15:48 EDT 2008


Alden,
    If any of you do the Swiftsure Race or the other one, be certain to 
get me pictures and a story for the Mainsheet. Would you be doing the 
Full Monty on the Swiftsure or one of the shorter versions? Joe Launie, 
Commodore, Macavity

alden Andre wrote:
> Phil, you are correct there are a lot of c-38's in the North West. 5 on
> the Columbia River alone. So I had an idea let's try to get as many
> boats together to do the Oregon Offshore (Columbia River bar to
> Victoria) and the swift sure race for 09. If we get enough boats to
> commit we could have our own class. Just a thought I am committed for 09
> for both of those races.
>
> Alden Andre
> Office: 877-550-FJ44(3544) or 503-618-1951
> Cell: 503-929-8814
> Fax: 503-907-5507
> Email : alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com, or alden642 at comcast.net
>  
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>    1. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (S. Orton)
>    2. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (Charles)
>    3. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (Duff, Russ (R.W.))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:10:23 -0700
> From: "S. Orton" <ssorton at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
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>
> Russ,  The mast flexes relative to the collar, thus the loose shims work
>
> their way out.  I my opinion spartite is the only way to go.  The
> advantages 
> are:
> 1.  The mast is held ridged at the deck level, increasing the column 
> strength of the mast and reducing the horizontal         punch load of
> the 
> mast at the deck.
> 2.  A permanent seal is formed - probably for the life of the boat.
> 3.  One less thing for your spinnaker to snag  on - the band clamps on
> the 
> boot.
> 4.  It is probably cheaper in the long run.
> The only down side is the installation time to prepare the boat and
> apply. 
> You can't redo it without pulling the mast.
>
> Steve Orton
> Santa Susanna (hull # 304)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Duff, Russ (R.W.)" <rduff at visteon.com>
> To: <hlhowell at pacbell.net>; "Catalina 38 Listserve" 
> <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
>
>   
>> I am almost positive there are no shims in mine. I bought her in spring
>>     
> of
>   
>> '03 and have not removed the mast, but when I added the mast boot, I
>>     
> am
>   
>> pretty sure there are no shims.  It looks like I will go out and get
>>     
> some.
>   
>> Does WM carry them?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>     
> fully
>   
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>     
> sure
>   
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the sail to
>> the boat hull.  On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step (about
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>     
> mast
>   
>> step).  I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that.  Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended.  Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without securing it
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>>>         Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>>         any more waterproof than a good mast boot.  Am I missing
>>>         something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>>         sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>>         when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Sincerely,
>>>         Russ Duff
>>>         Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>>         "AVANTURA"
>>>         Lake Erie
>>>         Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>>         RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>
>>>         AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>>         [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>         Smolinske
>>>         Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>>         To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>>         with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>>         directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>>         If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>>         mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>>         mast in the future.  We just had a new boot put on when the
>>>         mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>>         going to use the spartite.  I like the load deflection
>>>         characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>>         seals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: Les
>>>         Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>>         To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>>         > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite.  My mast and
>>>       
> collar 
>   
>>> had
>>>       
>> taken
>>     
>>>         > a
>>>         > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>       
> application 
>   
>>> of
>>>       
>> mast
>>     
>>>         > shims.  Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>       
> any
>   
>> water
>>     
>>>         > coming in the cabin from the mast.  Even better, mast
>>>       
> stress on
>   
>> the
>>     
>>>         > deck
>>>         > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>
>>>         I'll second that.  We had water on every wet day coming into 
>>> Jace.
>>>       
>> No
>>     
>>>         delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>>>         the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>       
>> miserable.
>>     
>>>         Spar-tite fixed it.  And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>       
> well.
>   
>> We had
>>     
>>>         it done when the mast was pulled and painted.  We replaced
>>>       
> all 
>   
>>> the
>>>         standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>
>>>         Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>       
> drops
>   
>> near or
>>     
>>>         at their chain plates.  On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>       
> the
>   
>>>         stanchions were leaking.  We redid the windows (thank you 
>>> Catalina
>>>         Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>       
> The
>   
>> leaks
>>     
>>>         ceased.  Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>       
>> Checking it
>>     
>>>         looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>       
> the
>   
>> tracks
>>     
>>>         for the fairleads.  That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>       
> next
>   
>> week
>>     
>>>         or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>
>>>         My current project is to add solar panels.  I have two 65
>>>       
> watt
>   
>> Kyocera
>>     
>>>         panels which measuer about 30x25.  I am rigging a support
>>>       
> across
>   
>> the
>>     
>>>         center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>       
> stainless
>   
>> rail
>>     
>>>         onto which I will clamp the solar panels.  This will add
>>>       
> about
>   
>> 25lbs or
>>     
>>>         so to the dodger, but should be well within limits.  The wind
>>>       
>> loading
>>     
>>>         would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>       
> with
>   
>> 1"
>>     
>>>         cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>       
> for
>   
>> panels
>>     
>>>         up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>       
>
>   
>>> wind
>>>         loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>       
>> Time will
>>     
>>>         tell.
>>>
>>>         I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>       
>> purchases.
>>     
>>>         Regards,
>>>         Les H
>>>         JACE
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:55 -0400
> From: Charles <charles at finn.ws>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Message-ID: <482494DB.2090904 at finn.ws>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Russ,
> Here is one place:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
>   
>> OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet, catalinaowners.com,
>> sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find mast
>>     
> wedges.
>   
>> Where else could I look?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>     
> fully
>   
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>     
> sure
>   
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> 	However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the
>>     
> sail to
>   
>> the boat hull.  On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> 	With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step
>>     
> (about
>   
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>     
> mast
>   
>> step).  I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that.  Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended.  Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> 	Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without
>>     
> securing it
>   
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here?? 
>>>  
>>> Max
>>>
>>>  
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>: 
>>>         Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>>         any more waterproof than a good mast boot.  Am I missing
>>>         something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>>         sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>>         when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         Sincerely,
>>>         Russ Duff
>>>         Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>>         "AVANTURA"
>>>         Lake Erie
>>>         Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>>         RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>         
>>>         AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         
>>>                                        
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>>         [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>         Smolinske
>>>         Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>>         To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>>         with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>>         directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>>         If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>>         mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>>         mast in the future.  We just had a new boot put on when the
>>>         mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>>         going to use the spartite.  I like the load deflection
>>>         characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>>         seals.  
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         
>>>         Steve
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>                                        
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: Les
>>>         Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>>         To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>         
>>>         
>>>         On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>>         > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite.  My mast and
>>>       
> collar had
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> taken
>>   
>>     
>>>         > a 
>>>         > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>       
> application of
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> mast 
>>   
>>     
>>>         > shims.  Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>       
> any
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> water 
>>   
>>     
>>>         > coming in the cabin from the mast.  Even better, mast
>>>       
> stress on
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>>         > deck 
>>>         > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>          
>>>         I'll second that.  We had water on every wet day coming into
>>>       
> Jace.
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> No
>>   
>>     
>>>         delamination or other problems, but the mess on 
>>>         the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>     
>>>       
>> miserable.
>>   
>>     
>>>         Spar-tite fixed it.  And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>       
> well.
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> We had
>>   
>>     
>>>         it done when the mast was pulled and painted.  We replaced
>>>       
> all the
>   
>>>         standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>          
>>>         Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>       
> drops
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> near or
>>   
>>     
>>>         at their chain plates.  On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>       
> the
>   
>>>         stanchions were leaking.  We redid the windows (thank you
>>>       
> Catalina
>   
>>>         Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>       
> The
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> leaks
>>   
>>     
>>>         ceased.  Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Checking it
>>   
>>     
>>>         looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>       
> the
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> tracks
>>   
>>     
>>>         for the fairleads.  That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>       
> next
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> week
>>   
>>     
>>>         or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>          
>>>         My current project is to add solar panels.  I have two 65
>>>       
> watt
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Kyocera
>>   
>>     
>>>         panels which measuer about 30x25.  I am rigging a support
>>>       
> across
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>>         center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>       
> stainless
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> rail
>>   
>>     
>>>         onto which I will clamp the solar panels.  This will add
>>>       
> about
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> 25lbs or
>>   
>>     
>>>         so to the dodger, but should be well within limits.  The wind
>>>     
>>>       
>> loading
>>   
>>     
>>>         would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>       
> with
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> 1"
>>   
>>     
>>>         cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>       
> for
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> panels
>>   
>>     
>>>         up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>       
> wind
>   
>>>         loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Time will
>>   
>>     
>>>         tell.
>>>          
>>>         I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>     
>>>       
>> purchases.
>>   
>>     
>>>          
>>>         Regards,
>>>         Les H
>>>         JACE
>>>          
>>>          
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         Listserve mailing list
>>>         Listserve at catalina38.org
>>>
>>>       
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>   
>>>         
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>>>       
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>   
>>>         
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Listserve mailing list
>>> Listserve at catalina38.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:21 -0400 
> From: "Duff, Russ (R.W.)" <rduff at visteon.com>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	
> <9247DE6E9F2A6E4888AF8253506BF9D512832002 at vistex101.vlgdc.visteon.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Rigrite.  I forgot about them.  Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Russ Duff
> Catalina 38, Hull #112
> "AVANTURA"
> Lake Erie
> Grosse Ile, Michigan
> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> Russ,
> Here is one place:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
>   
>> OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet, catalinaowners.com,
>> sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find mast
>>     
> wedges.
>   
>> Where else could I look?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>     
> fully
>   
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>     
> sure
>   
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> 	However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the
>>     
> sail to
>   
>> the boat hull.  On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> 	With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step
>>     
> (about
>   
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>     
> mast
>   
>> step).  I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that.  Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended.  Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> 	Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without
>>     
> securing it
>   
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here?? 
>>>  
>>> Max
>>>
>>>  
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>: 
>>>         Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>>         any more waterproof than a good mast boot.  Am I missing
>>>         something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>>         sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>>         when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         Sincerely,
>>>         Russ Duff
>>>         Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>>         "AVANTURA"
>>>         Lake Erie
>>>         Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>>         RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>         
>>>         AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         
>>>                                        
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>>         [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>         Smolinske
>>>         Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>>         To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>>         with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>>         directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>>         If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>>         mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>>         mast in the future.  We just had a new boot put on when the
>>>         mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>>         going to use the spartite.  I like the load deflection
>>>         characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>>         seals.  
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>         
>>>         Steve
>>>         
>>>         
>>>          
>>>         
>>>                                        
>>>
>>>       
> ______________________________________________________________
>   
>>>         From: Les
>>>         Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>>         To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>         
>>>         
>>>         On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>>         > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite.  My mast and
>>>       
> collar
> had
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> taken
>>   
>>     
>>>         > a 
>>>         > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>       
> application
> of
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> mast 
>>   
>>     
>>>         > shims.  Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>       
> any
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> water 
>>   
>>     
>>>         > coming in the cabin from the mast.  Even better, mast
>>>       
> stress on
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>>         > deck 
>>>         > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>          
>>>         I'll second that.  We had water on every wet day coming into
>>>       
> Jace.
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> No
>>   
>>     
>>>         delamination or other problems, but the mess on 
>>>         the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>     
>>>       
>> miserable.
>>   
>>     
>>>         Spar-tite fixed it.  And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>       
> well.
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> We had
>>   
>>     
>>>         it done when the mast was pulled and painted.  We replaced
>>>       
> all
> the
>   
>>>         standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>          
>>>         Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>       
> drops
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> near or
>>   
>>     
>>>         at their chain plates.  On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>       
> the
>   
>>>         stanchions were leaking.  We redid the windows (thank you
>>>       
> Catalina
>   
>>>         Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>       
> The
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> leaks
>>   
>>     
>>>         ceased.  Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Checking it
>>   
>>     
>>>         looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>       
> the
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> tracks
>>   
>>     
>>>         for the fairleads.  That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>       
> next
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> week
>>   
>>     
>>>         or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>          
>>>         My current project is to add solar panels.  I have two 65
>>>       
> watt
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Kyocera
>>   
>>     
>>>         panels which measuer about 30x25.  I am rigging a support
>>>       
> across
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>>         center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>       
> stainless
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> rail
>>   
>>     
>>>         onto which I will clamp the solar panels.  This will add
>>>       
> about
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> 25lbs or
>>   
>>     
>>>         so to the dodger, but should be well within limits.  The wind
>>>     
>>>       
>> loading
>>   
>>     
>>>         would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>       
> with
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> 1"
>>   
>>     
>>>         cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>       
> for
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> panels
>>   
>>     
>>>         up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>       
> wind
>   
>>>         loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Time will
>>   
>>     
>>>         tell.
>>>          
>>>         I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>     
>>>       
>> purchases.
>>   
>>     
>>>          
>>>         Regards,
>>>         Les H
>>>         JACE
>>>          
>>>          
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>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica 
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