[C38] snow in Portland Oregon
Larry Malmberg
larrypi at linkline.com
Tue Dec 23 12:58:17 EST 2008
Alden, some very useful advice there, thank you for sharing.
Best regards,
Larry Malmberg
Hassle
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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of alden Andre
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] snow in Portland Oregon
Everyone I went to check on my boat yesterday driving in 2 feet of snow for
30 miles. This is what I found. A lot of snow and ice on the boat.
Being on the Columbia river we had 30-50 kts winds with heavy snow. I had a
heater running inside the the boat so the inside was 68 degrees and before
the storm I had put antifreeze in the head and holding tank and had drained
all the water from the water tanks and put antifreeze on the raw water side
of the engine. What did concern me though yesterday when I checked the boat
was there was water in the bilge and the pump was on but the water was going
nowhere. I finally found the frozen blockage up in the aft lazzerette 6
inches from the exit hole. I was able to get the ice inside the tube to
break fee and then the water flowed. I think since my boat faces west and
the wind was from the east causing waves to hit the boat and ice to
accumulate on the aft side causing colder temps back there froze the
accumulated water in the tube there. After getting flow I went to home depot
and got some insulation to put around the tube back there. If the boat would
have collected more water there was no way for the bilge pumps to work. If
you would like to see some picks of the snow please feel free to email me.
Also my boat had a full enclosure up and the cockpit was free of snow and
ice so if you don't have a cockpit enclosure I am sure the temps in the aft
section could even be colder. Have a merry Christmas.
Alden Andre
Alden642 at comcast.net
1005 SE 23rd St
Troutdale, OR 97060
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:55:07 -0800 (PST)
From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] Snow
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We left the boat in the water last year and used an oil filled heater set at
the lowest setting worked great. We have solar vent fans to move the air
around. Happy Holidays from the crew of "Flying Goose"
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> Subject: Re: [C38] Snow
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> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:57 PM I'd say keep the dryers going
> and maybe a low level heater too.
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> Gentlemen of the North, We have been dumped with cold temperatures and
> snow levels that we don't see except for every few decades.
> I have a 18" of
> snow on my boat, The lake wont freeze, but since I have never thought
> about winterizing my boat to this extent, Is there anything in
> particular I should worry about. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:34:39 EST
From: Mikenolen at aol.com
Subject: Re: [C38] Snow
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Happy holidays to all in the frozen NW.
>From my perspective, at 4800' above sea level, it seems like you guys
have
it made. Our general rule for winterizing boats is generally based on water
temperature. We start getting nervous when the water temperature get into
the low forties. With that said, in our climate, the "air temps" are
generally getting into the single digits when the water hits forty. First
action, drain down fresh water systems, I generally pour in a gallon of
"pink" and pump it through all fixtures, galley and head. I pour another
gallon in the head and pump it through to the holding tank.. ( leave some in
the bowl). Since we sail as long as the water isn't too hard, engines are
the last. I close the through hull to the engine, remove the hose and stick
the end of the pickup into a gallon of "pink", start the engine and wait
until my exhaust turns pink.
Return the pick up hose to the through hull, tighten clamps. When I want to
sail through out the winter all I have to do is open through hull (normal
procedure) fire up the motor and head out. The $2.50 additional cost to a
late winter sail is, well, nothing compared to being out on the water. The
engine takes about 2 to 3 minutes to winterize. I leave my boat in the
water all year.
Most years we don't get too much ice but some years I could drive my truck
to the end of the dock. We have big bubblers under the boats.
Burrrr!!!!!!!!!!
Mike and Buck (pup-1st mate)
S/V The Great Escape
Dock 300 slip 317
Lake Pueblo, Co
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In a message dated 12/22/2008 11:34:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com writes:
Ken,
Swantown is the first boat yard we had Peregrine at after we bought
her...Did you and I meet last March or April while she was on the hard?
I shoveled
off the deck too, I should get to the cockpit, we had snow covering the
sides
of the boat about an inch thick hanging down about 6" above the
waterline.
Thanks for the tip on the engine door, I hadnt thought of that. Ice on
saltwater....you guys must have gotten alot lower temperatures than we
have. I was
warned by the guys at Fisheries Supply that do maintenance work for the
marinas in the area not to use portable heaters. Their comment was
that the
resistance at the deck plug is the highest point in the circuit and
that the
plugs are where they see the most damage from fires and melting. I have
used one
for years, but that made me a little nervous especially since they have
a
box of melted and burned plugs to back up their claims. The rum is
sitting in
the galley sink just in case!!
____________________________________
From: Kenneth M. Sutto
Sent: Mon 12/22/2008 4:03 PM
To: Organization - listserve at catalina38
Subject: Re: [C38] Snow
Steve, I am down here in Olympia at Swantown Marina. I had 10+ inches of
snow on deck.The marina has a thin shean of ice on the water. My family
helped
shovel the snow off of Sundancer and off the jetty. I use a low control
heater
you can get at West Marine. It has a thermostat that kicks in and out
at a
certain temperature. I also keep my access door open below the steps to
the
engine along with the sette covers away from the back storage areas.
Also I
keep open the access board to the bilges for easy checking ,just
incase. And
last but not lease I keep one bottle each of bourbon and dark rum for
emergency
use. These last two items are very important and should be readily
accessable.
Regards,
Ken "Sundancer"
PS These last few weeks I have been going down and running my engine
every
days to keep the fluids "loose".
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:54:51 -0800
From: SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: [C38] Snow
Gentlemen of the North, We have been dumped with cold temperatures and
snow
levels that we don't see except for every few decades. I have a 18"
of snow
on my boat, The lake wont freeze, but since I have never thought about
winterizing my boat to this extent, Is there anything in particular I
should worry
about. Thanks.
Steve Smolinske
President
4M Company, Inc.
15660 Nelson Place South
Seattle, WA 98188
425-227-4500
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:35:04 -0500
From: Gus Woods <GWoods at restaurant.org>
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I have followed the exchange of messages about how to handle cold
weather with interest. I always leave everything closed inside the cabin
except the bilge which always gets wet and needs some ventilation. On
the Chesapeake the air temperature is currently 20 degrees but the water
is 38 degrees so I think it is good to isolate the engine area from the
colder outside air as much as possible to take advantage of the warmer
water in your slip.
I once spent a few seconds swimming in the ocean at Big Sur so I know
that our water is probably a little warmer now than you West Coast
people get ever get but your water is probably still liquid so it is
warmer than the arctic air some of you currently have(I can get my digs
too!).
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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth M. Sutto
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:03 PM
To: Organization - listserve at catalina38
Subject: Re: [C38] Snow
Steve, I am down here in Olympia at Swantown Marina. I had 10+ inches of
snow on deck.The marina has a thin shean of ice on the water. My family
helped shovel the snow off of Sundancer and off the jetty. I use a low
control heater you can get at West Marine. It has a thermostat that
kicks in and out at a certain temperature. I also keep my access door
open below the steps to the engine along with the sette covers away from
the back storage areas. Also I keep open the access board to the bilges
for easy checking ,just incase. And last but not lease I keep one bottle
each of bourbon and dark rum for emergency use. These last two items are
very important and should be readily accessable.
Regards,
Ken "Sundancer"
PS These last few weeks I have been going down and running my engine
every days to keep the fluids "loose".
________________________________
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:54:51 -0800
From: SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: [C38] Snow
Gentlemen of the North, We have been dumped with cold temperatures and
snow levels that we don't see except for every few decades. I have a
18" of snow on my boat, The lake wont freeze, but since I have never
thought about winterizing my boat to this extent, Is there anything in
particular I should worry about. Thanks.
Steve Smolinske
President
4M Company, Inc.
15660 Nelson Place South
Seattle, WA 98188
425-227-4500
www.rainierrubber.com<http://www.rainierrubber.com/>
The information contained in this email may be confidential and/or
proprietary in nature and is intended for the recipient of the email
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