[C38] Standing Rigging (Alden Andre)

Mon Jan 5 13:42:09 EST 2009

Alden,When I used Estancia for the first time, the headstay  and swage eye
fitting developed a crack all over its lenght, as well as its masthead
toggle, so I replaced only the headstay and its toggle. Then the rest of the
toggles begun to develop cracks and I replaced them one at a time, then
 noticed a broken strand on one of the upper shrouds, and that was it. I
replaced the whole thing, except for the turnbuckles, which are next on my
list.

What really sacared me was when I had the old wires on my hand and tried to
make a loop with them, all the strands started to break all over the wires.
There were a lot of very small cracks that are very hard to see, even with a
magnifying glass. This is why I recommend that at the smallest sign of
stress or cracks on a wire, all of them should be replaced. Of course my
boat is in  tropical weather with a lot of humidity, and the wires will
corrode faster.
 My total cost was around $1700, but is way cheaper than a new mast!!!! Sta
lock or Norseman fittings work great, and the best thing is that If I have
to replace the wires again, the cost will be around $550 because I will
reuse these fittings.
Just my tought!!!

Regards,
Max

2009/1/5 alden Andre <alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com>

> Standing Rigging
> Just my thoughts on standing rigging: I did replace mine when I bought
> the boat 3 years ago because it was damaged when they removed the mast
> and during the shipping process(they were crimped in several places). I
> have been in the aviation industry all of my life as a mechanic,pilot
> and now I buy and sell airplanes. I say that  because airplanes use the
> same cables and also have more strain and move and go around pullys.
> What is interesting to me is why people want to change there standing
> rigging if they don't have corrosion or broken strands. In airplanes
> they wont change the cables until there are several broken strands per
> the standered per each airplane maintenance manual. The weakest part of
> our standing rigging is the swedeges and turn buckles not the cables. I
> was going to go bigger when I replaced them but did not after talking to
> the yard and Catalina on stress loads and that the turn buckles will
> break before the stress load on the cables would. My biggest concern
> would be how they swedge the ends onto the cables. I would want a roller
> swedger vs a crimper. Now having said that I believe my total cost for
> new standing rigging was $2200.00 US.
>
> Alden Andre
> FLYBYE C-38
> 503-929-8814
> Alden642 at comcast.net
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>            I am looking into redoing my standing rigging on Sundancer
> this spring. The rigging is the same since she was built in1983.  I want
> to go larger on the on the wires or go with rod rigging.  Has anyone
> replaced their rigging recently with rod rigging or heavier wires? If so
> did you have to beef up your hull and mast attachments?
>
>           Regards,
>                Ken
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> From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C38] standing rigging
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> Hi Ken,
> I replaced my standing rigging by myself a couple of years a go with
> sta-lock swageless fittings. I bought everything from
> www.riggingonly.com.
> Great prices!!
> They advised me to stay with the original wire diameter. A chain will be
> as
> strong as the weakest link, and the toggles, which usually fail first
> will
> remain with the same pin diameter unless I redrilled or replaced
> chainplates, so, I stood with the same wire diameter (5/16").  I also
> changed from 304 to 316 stainless steel, 5% less stronger but has more
> corrosion resistance. I just had 42knts a couple of months ago on a
> race,
> had a chinese gybe, and everything is still ok. Chainplates are another
> story. Just took apart the one on the starboard forward shorud, and was
> very
> corroded with a lot of cracks. I have to replace that one and check the
> others........
> The wire lenghts are on the C38 org  webpage.
> Hope this helps,
>
> Max Soto
> C38 #198 Estancia
> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>
> 2009/1/4 Kenneth M. Sutto <kmspacific at hotmail.com>
>
> >              I am looking into redoing my standing rigging on
> Sundancer
> > this spring. The rigging is the same since she was built in1983.  I
> want to
> > go larger on the on the wires or go with rod rigging.  Has anyone
> replaced
> > their rigging recently with rod rigging or heavier wires? If so did
> you have
> > to beef up your hull and mast attachments?
> >
> >            Regards,
> >                 Ken
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> From: Scott and Ann <ctigloo at gci.net>
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> Steve,
> I think what you're referring to is a Baja fuel filter. I don't have
> one, but you can Google to learn more.
> Scott
> Tacita II
> Juneau
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> Steve Smolinske wrote:
> > About August or so I posted a string about tank polishing, somebody
> > suggested a fuel funnel/filter I thought it was Maui or Bahama or
> > something similiar.   I couldnt find it in the archives and havent had
>
> > any luck googling.  At the time time I bought the cheap Racor plastic
> > one.  works fine unfortunately becasue of its design it leaves about
> > 3/4 of a cup of fuel in the bottom to be disposed of after filling
> > up.   The other one cost about $50-75 and doesnt have the problem with
>
> > residual fuel.  Anyone know what Im talking about?  would love to pick
>
> > one up.  Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
> > Peregrine #312
> > Seattle
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