[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 5, Issue 129

bob gouley r.gouley at sympatico.ca
Thu Jun 4 20:09:10 EDT 2009


     Gentlemen, I would bet money that the mast is slightly out of vertical. 
being out a tenth of an inch at the deck translates into several inches 50 
feet up, and the weight to one side will cause the boat to list. I saw this 
with my boat when I first restepped the mast.

bob gouley
st joseph island
zephyr hull # 142
ontario canada
r.gouley at sympatico.ca

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>   1. starboard vs port performance (Steve Smolinske)
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>   3. Re: starboard vs port performance (Joseph Launie)
>   4. Re: starboard vs port performance (Marc S. Stewart)
>   5. Re: starboard vs port performance (Larry Malmberg)
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> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:07:20 -0700
> From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
> Subject: [C38] starboard vs port performance
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> Hello all,
>
> hoping you more experienced Cat 38 racers can help me out. But first I 
> have to say Wow flying a spinnaker on our boats is a kick in the #$$!  We 
> were last off the line with a crew excluding myself and bowman who had 
> never even touched a spinnaker, so by the time we walked them through the 
> deployment we were a good 500 yards back of 8 boats and in last place, 
> within 20 minutes we were out in front by the same distance.   The story 
> isnt so good after that due to bad calls at the helm so Ill stop there, 
> but was that ever fun just walking past them with so little effort.
>
> We noticed that on port tack we were much faster by about a knot, sheets 
> led to the same spot, trim looked good, but nothing seemed to help on 
> starboard.   Im wondering is it because of the weight of the batteries, 
> galley and head all on port that help to bring down that side a little 
> more when on a port tack?  Apparent was about 13, could it have been wave 
> direction?  Our boat sitting at the dock does have a slight list to port. 
> As always thanks for the help.
>
> Steve
> Peregrine #312
> Seattle
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> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:33:21 -0700
> From: "Phil Gay" <eyriepg at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C38] starboard vs port performance
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> I was sailing our C38 out of Everett, WA (about 25 miles north of Steve)
> this afternoon in about 12 knots true and I noticed that we were about 1
> knot faster on a port tack close hauled than on a starboard tack.  Que 
> Linda
> lists to port also, so I tuned the mast to starboard a little to make the
> mast more vertical.  I don't know if I did a good thing or not.  My knot
> transducer is ahead of the keel about 3 feet so I doubt that turbulence 
> has
> much effect on it.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Phil Gay
>
> C38 049 Que Linda
>
> Everett, WA
>
>
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> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:07 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: [C38] starboard vs port performance
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> hoping you more experienced Cat 38 racers can help me out. But first I 
> have
> to say Wow flying a spinnaker on our boats is a kick in the #$$!  We were
> last off the line with a crew excluding myself and bowman who had never 
> even
> touched a spinnaker, so by the time we walked them through the deployment 
> we
> were a good 500 yards back of 8 boats and in last place, within 20 minutes
> we were out in front by the same distance.   The story isnt so good after
> that due to bad calls at the helm so Ill stop there, but was that ever fun
> just walking past them with so little effort.
>
>
>
> We noticed that on port tack we were much faster by about a knot, sheets 
> led
> to the same spot, trim looked good, but nothing seemed to help on 
> starboard.
> Im wondering is it because of the weight of the batteries, galley and head
> all on port that help to bring down that side a little more when on a port
> tack?  Apparent was about 13, could it have been wave direction?  Our boat
> sitting at the dock does have a slight list to port.   As always thanks 
> for
> the help.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Peregrine #312
>
> Seattle
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:17:29 -0700
> From: Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [C38] starboard vs port performance
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> Steve,
>    Check to see if your boat is symmetrical. Macavity is not. We
> discovered this when we installed Harken adjustable genoa track and
> found the genoa track was closer to the cabin on one side than the
> other. We checked angles etc from one side to the other relative to the
> bow and found the boat to be off by almost an inch. So the same setting
> on one side may actually have a different angle on one side than the
> other. We are also faster on one tack than the other. Joe Launie, Macavity
>
> Steve Smolinske wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> hoping you more experienced Cat 38 racers can help me out. But first I
>> have to say Wow flying a spinnaker on our boats is a kick in the #$$!
>> We were last off the line with a crew excluding myself and bowman who
>> had never even touched a spinnaker, so by the time we walked them
>> through the deployment we were a good 500 yards back of 8 boats and in
>> last place, within 20 minutes we were out in front by the same
>> distance.   The story isnt so good after that due to bad calls at the
>> helm so Ill stop there, but was that ever fun just walking past them
>> with so little effort.
>>
>> We noticed that on port tack we were much faster by about a knot,
>> sheets led to the same spot, trim looked good, but nothing seemed to
>> help on starboard.   Im wondering is it because of the weight of the
>> batteries, galley and head all on port that help to bring down that
>> side a little more when on a port tack?  Apparent was about 13, could
>> it have been wave direction?  Our boat sitting at the dock does have a
>> slight list to port.   As always thanks for the help.
>>
>> Steve
>> Peregrine #312
>> Seattle
>>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Marc S. Stewart" <mstewart at sounddsl.com>
> Subject: Re: [C38] starboard vs port performance
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> Phil,
> Palancar's at Poulsbo Yacht Club.  I seem to recall she has a faster stbd
> tack than port close hauled but she sits level in the water.  It can't be
> hull shape.  Rigging is a possibility as I've only eyeballed the rigging
> tension and trueness.  I've always attributed it to the way the main sheet
> is rigged to starboard vs centerline.  It pulls the shape of the main
> differently on the two tacks.  I'll have to pay closer attention now that
> you mention you have a similar issue.  Annoying to be that different isn't
> it?!
> Marc
>
>> I was sailing our C38 out of Everett, WA (about 25 miles north of Steve)
>> this afternoon in about 12 knots true and I noticed that we were about 1
>> knot faster on a port tack close hauled than on a starboard tack.  Que
>> Linda
>> lists to port also, so I tuned the mast to starboard a little to make the
>> mast more vertical.  I don't know if I did a good thing or not.  My knot
>> transducer is ahead of the keel about 3 feet so I doubt that turbulence
>> has
>> much effect on it.  Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil Gay
>>
>> C38 049 Que Linda
>>
>> Everett, WA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:07 PM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: [C38] starboard vs port performance
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> hoping you more experienced Cat 38 racers can help me out. But first I
>> have
>> to say Wow flying a spinnaker on our boats is a kick in the #$$!  We were
>> last off the line with a crew excluding myself and bowman who had never
>> even
>> touched a spinnaker, so by the time we walked them through the deployment
>> we
>> were a good 500 yards back of 8 boats and in last place, within 20 
>> minutes
>> we were out in front by the same distance.   The story isnt so good after
>> that due to bad calls at the helm so Ill stop there, but was that ever 
>> fun
>> just walking past them with so little effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> We noticed that on port tack we were much faster by about a knot, sheets
>> led
>> to the same spot, trim looked good, but nothing seemed to help on
>> starboard.
>> Im wondering is it because of the weight of the batteries, galley and 
>> head
>> all on port that help to bring down that side a little more when on a 
>> port
>> tack?  Apparent was about 13, could it have been wave direction?  Our 
>> boat
>> sitting at the dock does have a slight list to port.   As always thanks
>> for
>> the help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Peregrine #312
>>
>> Seattle
>>
>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> Marc Stewart
> mstewart at sounddsl.com
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:49:39 -0700
> From: "Larry Malmberg" <larrypi at linkline.com>
> Subject: Re: [C38] starboard vs port performance
> To: <mstewart at sounddsl.com>, "'Catalina 38 Listserve'"
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> I would suggest measuring your freeboard at the bow, amidship and stern 
> and
> see if there is a difference.  Perhaps you have a weight distribution 
> issue
> here.  I know on Hassle we tend to stow tons of stuff on the cabin bunk 
> and
> under it thereby weighting heavy on the port side.  When we stock up for
> Trans Pac we are going to store most of our water on the starboard side as
> we'll be on a starboard tack getting out so we want the weight there if
> possible.  Just a thought.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Larry Malmberg
> Team Hassle
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