[C38] Rudder post packing gland, must remove steering quadrant
William Knowles
whk1965 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 17 09:39:13 EDT 2009
My wind meter crapped out as well I bought a Krestel hand held for $64 on
web (Amazon) works great but if or when I replace the whole unit I will get
the wireless one. As far as the knot meter goes here on the bay it only last
about two days between cleanings save your money and get a gps.
Bill Flying Goose
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Steve Smolinske <
SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> wrote:
> Marc,
>
> where do you keep your boat? and how was desolation, we were planning to
> head up close to desolation when we had the problems with our exhaust riser.
>
> Steve
> Peregrine #312
> Seattle
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Marc Stewart
> Sent: Sun 8/16/2009 7:37 AM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Rudder post packing gland, must remove steering quadrant
>
>
> For what it's worth - I recently did business with Signet and am reasonably
> happy. My depth transducer temperature sensor had shorted out causing my
> single/combined indicator to fail completely. Signet has a new system that
> improves the flexibility of adding remote indicators and many other types of
> indicators about ones boat. Not interested in doing that, I was taken aback
> by the fact that now, to get speed and depth, it requires THREE (expensive
> at a few hundred $ apiece) boxes where I had been using one - a box for each
> sensor system and a central display box. Talking this through with Aaron
> Hall 310.320.4349 Ext 22, he suggested that I simply buy a new transducer
> that plugs into my 15+ year old indicator box. Not only does it work, but
> he suggested affixing it to the hull inboard with silicone vice hauling the
> boat (which I didn't have time to do because of a 10-day Desolation Sound
> cruise I'd planned). It works just great - and I lived by it in new
> waters for 10 days.
> Marc
>
> On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:35 PM, PAUL NOTTE wrote:
>
>
> I'm thinking of removing the pedestal this winter to have it re
> powder coated or is there a paint that will work as well ? and oh yah my
> wife is starting to find recipes for some of the other thing I've "found
> necessary" I need ,or at least I think I need a wind instrument .The one on
> impulse has a broken tail . Should I stay with signet or another brand. when
> the wind blows hard enough it does give me the quarter it's blowing from
> also doesn't start to show on the scale till it gets above five or so knots
> and I think it under reads. I have no illusions of being a world class
> sailor just an old gunk hole explorer having a good time .It would also be a
> good time to replace the knot meter it needs a new paddelwheel kit unless
> anyone else has had good success with the signet one I'll have them repaired
> . Ps I found a kick ass barbeque under three hundred you can cook dinner for
> four and still have room left over. made locally and guaranteed for as long
> as you own it
> Paul Impulse
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [C38] Rudder post packing gland, must remove steering
> quadrant
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>
> > Dear People:
> > I failed to tell you that I had removed the steering quadrant
> > before the
> > operation described today.
> > Removal and replacement of the quadrant doubles the fun! The
> > first time,
> > you will find frozen nuts, and more!
> > Grease those nuts and bolts before replacing.
> > I also have the steering arm from the below deck hydraulic
> autopilot.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > Richard West wrote:
> > > Hi Les,
> > >
> > > My quadrant has either been raised or lowered and I can't
> > remember
> > > which - lowered I think. This was done to make room for
> > a separate
> > > steering arm that is operated by my below-deck hydraulic
> > autopilot.
> > > This really makes it tight. The only way I can get
> > to the packing
> > > gland is to remove the quadrant (two piece aluminum). I
> > don't think
> > > servicability was utmost in Mr. Catalina's mind with this
> > design! ;-)
> > >
> > > Rich, Legacy, #360, San Diego
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Les <hlhowell at pacbell.net
> > > <mailto:hlhowell at pacbell.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > JACE has the triangular plate type of
> > packing gland also. In
> > > addition,
> > > the rudder quadrant is in the way, and
> > I don't see either the quadrant
> > > or its collar in the photo. I
> > was wondering what you did to get under
> > > it?
> > >
> > > I know that there is a better way, but
> > I don't know what it is. Rich,
> > > you sound like you have the same
> > design I do. Is your quadrant
> > > (actually a disk I think) immediately
> > above the packing gland?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Les H
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 14:24 -0700,
> > Richard West wrote:
> > > > Wow, for what it's worth, your
> > packing gland is very different from
> > > > mine. Mine has triangular
> > plates with thee screws and just enough
> > > > room for about one ring of packing
> > and no real cutout to hold it in
> > > > place. Equally hard to work on
> > though!> >
> > > > Rich, Legacy, #360, San Diego
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM, D.
> > R. Strong
> > > <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
> > <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>>> > wrote:
> > >
> > > In response to
> > requests for my packing gland packing
> > >
> > > experiences.
> > This is really fun stuff (sarcasm intended).
> > > >
> > >
> > > 1. I
> > tried both the classical and the Teflon packing, and
> > >
> > > vastly prefer
> > the latter. It is tougher, takes the abuse of
> > >
> > > insertion
> > better, and it seems logical that the Teflon type
> > >
> > > should last
> > longer. I don't remember the size of the packing
> > >
> > > material;
> > middle size, not the largest or smallest. I
> > > removed
> > >
> > > the old stuff
> > and the West Marine gal helped me find the
> > >
> > > right
> > size. To save repeated trips, I bought three
> > > packages
> > >
> > > of the
> > two sizes that seemed right, then returned the
> > > unused.
> > >
> > > WM readily
> > takes refunds with receipt (because they know
> > > that
> > >
> > > boat addicts
> > cannot resist a purchase each and every
> > > time they
> > >
> > > enter the store).
> > > >
> > >
> > > 2. I removed
> > the old packing with a tiny screw driver. A
> > > trick
> > >
> > > taught me by
> > Cree at Berkeley Marine Center is to make
> > > up your
> > >
> > > new material
> > on the exposed rudder post, up by the tiller
> > >
> > > attachment
> > (careful, don't let the rudder sink to the bottom
> > >
> > > of the marina
> > when you remove the tiller handle
> > > attachment!).
> > >
> > > Or, you could
> > mic the post and use another pipe of
> > > exactly the
> > >
> > > same diameter.
> > Coil the new packing material around
> > > around the
> > >
> > > post three
> > times. Cut through the coil on a 45 degree angle
> > >
> > > with a sharp
> > razor blade; this must be pretty easy because I
> > >
> > > got it right
> > the first time. The razoring of three wraps
> > >
> > > procedure
> > gives you three perfect segments, all with
> > > good cut
> > >
> > > angles. Treat
> > them carefully, especially the cut edges.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 3. Grease the
> > post and the new packing material just before
> > >
> > > you
> > begin. This will allow the material to readily
> > > slide into
> > >
> > > the slot. I'm
> > proud of having thought of this, but feel
> > > stupid
> > >
> > > that I labored
> > for hours ---butchering several packages of
> > >
> > > packing trying
> > to get the material into the slot
> > > ---before the
> > >
> > > Lord delivered
> > the grease idea on to me (pay off for
> > >
> > > memorizing the
> > 23 Psalm at 8). I used water proof marine
> > >
> > > grease meant
> > for bearings on boat trailer wheels.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 4. Insert the
> > coils with 66 degrees of rotation between the
> > >
> > > cuts, so as to
> > isolate them maximally from each other.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 5. Use the
> > ring on the sliding, unfixed, bottom half
> > > (bronze
> > >
> > > color above
> > the green base in the photo below) of the
> > > gland as
> > >
> > > a hard tool to
> > "force" ( = easy does it) the coils of
> > > packing
> > >
> > > material in.
> > Twist, pull up, and tap gently (if needs be) on
> > >
> > > the sliding
> > half with a small (!) hammer or wrench handle to
> > >
> > > urge the
> > insertion of the coil. DONT TAP TOO HARD OR
> > > YOU WILL
> > >
> > > DEFORM THE
> > UNIT. (Note, this is the point when your wife
> > > will
> > >
> > > leave the boat
> > owing to the language used by her lover).
> > > Note
> > >
> > > that the
> > packing material on Discreet Charm is inserted
> > >
> > > upward, into
> > the glassed on, fixed, top half of the unit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 6. I worked
> > from the cockpit, from the top, through the
> > > stern
> > >
> > > lazarette. If
> > you know a 6 year old with really long
> > > arms and
> > >
> > > strong hands
> > (older kids are too big) who will work from
> > >
> > > below, go for
> > it. My first try (which failed because the
> > >
> > > insertion of
> > the packing material was sloppy; edges did not
> > >
> > > line up) gave
> > me a bad bruise across the chest at the
> > > point of
> > >
> > > contact
> > between me and the rim of the lazarette. Place a
> > > thin
> > >
> > > cushion or
> > towel between your chest and the on the rim
> > > of the
> > >
> > > lazarette to
> > prevent this unpleasant trophy of packing gland
> > >
> > > replacement .
> > > >
> > >
> > > Love Don
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Donald & Karin
> > Strong>
> > > Discreet Charm
> > >
> > > Catalina 38
> > >
> > > San Fancisco Bay
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Department of Evolution and Ecology
> > University of California, Davis 95616
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