[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 6, Issue 446

[chris nagle]

He may have been on that .50 but I guarantee you  that he couldn't hit the "broad
side of a Blue whale from 100 meters ! And you can thank "Ronnie" for the "0 "tolerance !!! I could go on about the CG but they are a definite asset when your having difficulty staying AFLOAT ! they were probably a reserve group from Wyoming with WHITE faces; first time at sea and trying to impress. I was boarded after beening dismasted off Scal coast and they wanted to do the same thing (my 36 Islanders name was CANDYMAN !!) fortunately I superseded their authority ,as a US Customs inspector I ordered them off the boat for their own saftey and regested help from baywatch who knew hoe to deal with my boat as it drifted toward the Terminal Island Federal pen. CG warned that they woud issue a citation if we cut the mast loose. All ended well    Chris nagle  "Rage" #349
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> 1. Re: Listserve Digest, Vol 6, Issue 443 (onboard weapons)
> alden (Tom T.)
> 2. Re: Catalina 38 Questions (david at dlrfilms.com)
> 3. Re: Catalina 38 Questions (RICHARD KILROY)
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> From: "Tom T." <tdtron at earthlink.net>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 6, Issue 443 (onboard
> weapons) alden
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> 
> One gun we take offshore is a stainless Ruger Mini-14 in caliber .223.
> 
> Before I bought my 38, I used to charter. I was on an extended weekend
> charter out of Lauderdale once with some friends returning from Bimini back
> to Florida in the middle of the Gulf Stream when we were stopped by the CG.
> We had been shooting aluminum beverage cans tied with about 80' of fishing
> line to our stern.
> 
> We were shooting two .223 Mini-14's with banana clips and we had brass all
> over the deck. The CG cutter's path was taking it behind us so we stopped
> shooting to wait for them to safely pass behind us.
> 
> The VHF then squawked and the CG asked us to respond. They asked us to
> state our previous port of call, port of destination, descriptions of all
> persons on board, itinerary, etc.
> 
> "5 male adults on a 4 day weekend to Bimini and back." Before I could even
> get the words out, I knew we were going to be stopped.
> 
> "Drop your sails, kill your engine and stand by to be boarded."
> 
> Oh @#$%^&*
> 
> 5 men approached us with a large twin engine Zodiac. One man stayed with
> the launch and the other 4 came aboard. Two stayed on the cabin top
> watching us with drawn weapons while the other two went below to hopefully
> (for them) find illegal cargo.
> 
> They went through absolutely EVERYTHING in our rental boat determined that
> we were making a drug run. This was back in the late '80s when they had
> the zero tolerance policy and you could lose your boat for so much as even
> a 1/2 joint on board.
> 
> They made us sit on our hands in the cockpit while they searched the boat. 
> The enlisted man leading the search party radioed back that they couldn't
> find any illegal substances on our boat. The skipper radioed them to keep
> looking.
> 
> They finally relented and let us continue on our trip back to Florida. For
> stopping us, they gave me a "Safety Inspection Certificate" which I still
> have. They gave us a safety inspection since we were stopped without
> probable cause. According to them, the safety inspection made the stop
> legal.
> 
> You have no idea how intimidating it feels to have to sit on your hands
> helplessly while the CG ransacks your boat, all while another man is ready
> on a twin .50 cal on the bow of the cutter 200 yds away "just in case." 
> The Zodiac also had a twin tri-pod mounted .50 but the helmsman stayed at
> his helm watching us. If a fight did break out, I'm sure the guy on the
> Zodiac could have manned his .50 pretty fast also. The .50 on the cutter
> was initially trained on us at the beginning of the search. An automatic
> twin .50 can cut a boat in half!
> 
> They were opening compartments we hadn't even looked in since we were
> living out of our sea bags and didn't need storage. We had no idea if
> anyone from a previous rental had left anything illegal in any of those
> compartments and drawers.
> 
> Did I mention that we were made to sit on our hands in the cockpit? They
> NEVER even asked us to get up so they could inspect the large sail locker
> we were sitting on which could have held a couple of bales of marijuana!
> 
> Your tax money at work.....
> 
> Tom T.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: alden Andre <alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com>
> > To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Date: 12/11/2010 1:51:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 6, Issue 443 (onboard weapons)
> alden
> >
> > I have to agree with my friend north of me on the weapons. I personally
> > have a 12 gauge Remington marine stainless steel pump on board. I carry
> > several rounds slug, buck shot, been bags, tazer rounds. I also have two
> > glocks a 17 9mm and a 17 45 cal. I don't carry the pistols in Canada but
> > I do keep the shotgun on board. I got the guns do to a couple of
> > experiences that I needed them. I have been boarded both by the US coast
> > guard and the Canadian Coast Guard and have declared the weapons and
> > have not had a problem.
> >
> > Alden Andre (AKA Cpt. Bilgewater)
> > S/V FLYBYE
> > 503-929-8814
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > 1. Re: On Board weapons (Steve Smolinske)
> > 2. Re: Out of line....but we were talking about weapons
> > (Steve Smolinske)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:41:17 -0800
> > From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
> > To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Subject: Re: [C38] On Board weapons
> > Message-ID: <392501BCC93AAC4EA94D28D8DB1599226927C7 at sockeye.4M.local>
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> >
> > I am a firm believer in gun rights and personally have several shotguns,
> > assault rifles and handguns, I have a concealled weapons permit too.
> > With that said I do not carry a gun on my person or on my boat and I
> > keep them locked in a safe with trigger locks. It's your right to own
> > firearms and even carry them but with that comes a huge responsibility
> > too. 
> > 
> > Before my in-laws went to Alaska for the summer on their boat some 15
> > years ago Dad bought a Winchester Stainless steel marine shotgun. As
> > they were gone for three months and all alone in very very remote areas
> > they felt it prudent as did we. Its a short version of the standard 12
> > guage. I now have it but have never taken it aboard as I have'nt seen
> > the need cruising around the sound or the San Juans, If I ever felt the
> > need it would be my weapon of choice. The sawed off 12 guage for a boat
> > offers many advantages the primary one being fire power! You have the
> > option of every kind of load imaginable from slugs to bird shot, I also
> > have 12 guage non-lethal rounds that fire pepper spray, tear gas, flash
> > bangs, rubber pellets and one that shoots a stream of fire about 100
> > feet (Larry during transpac keep your distance at night and make sure
> > your boat is well lite :) ) you can even get flechettes too. Best of
> > all in the dark if you were to say stop I have a gun that might n
> > ot work, but if you pump a round in the chamber that is all that it
> > normally takes to strike fear to the bone in most people. Any round
> > fired from a shot gun at night will put on quite a light show and scare
> > off any would-be intruder. I read an article some years back in Ocean
> > Navigator about a cruiser making his way into a mexican port late one
> > night at the end of a long voyage, he had a persistant radar target that
> > he was worried that it was a pirate. He tried hailing on the VHF,
> > altered course several times and the target altered as well and kept
> > closing. He could'nt decide if it was a fisherman following him or a
> > pirate, he got his shotgun fired a round into the air in the pitch black
> > and the target changed course and never reappeared. 
> > 
> > Side note on firearms, with the litigious climate we live in many law
> > abiding citizens who have used firearms for valid self defense reasons
> > have found themselves imprisioned or bankrupt defending themselves. For
> > home defense my weapon of choice is a glock model 21 (.45 caliber) and
> > the first round in the clip is a rubber round, if you should ever have
> > to use your weapon and injure or kill someone a rubber round shows that
> > you at least tried everything possible before using lethal force (even
> > when the SOB is in your home). If you do decide to have a gun be
> > mentally prepared to use it, the worst thing that you could do is to
> > have someone take it from you and then turn it on you. Go to the range
> > or the woods and get comfortable using it, if you ever have to use it
> > that would not be the time for indecision or confusion about its
> > operation. Also if you keep a gun on the boat, make sure you strip it
> > first and liberally oil the barrel and firing mechanisms. Use trigger
> > locks
> > and never keep a round chambered especially on a boat. IMHO. 
> > 
> > Word of caution when walking the dock carrying one of these to or from
> > the boat it normally gets really quiet. 
> > 
> > 
> > <http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:D9ltmiws86a8yM:http://world.guns.ru/
> > shotgun/winchester_1300_coastal_marine.jpg&t=1> 
> > 
> > Steve
> > #312 Peregrine
> > Seattle
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Tom T.
> > Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 2:02 PM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: Re: [C38] On Board weapons
> >
> >
> > I'm with Wm. Knowles on the flare gun possibly blowing up with shotgun
> > shells.
> > 
> > Even if your gun survived the shotgun shell, your assailant you shot
> > would probably be very agitated and annoyed at you for scaring him with
> > a flare gun. The slow burning powder of a shotgun shell needs at least
> > a few inches of barrel to get any energy.
> > 
> > Back in the 60's some scuba divers started carrying 12 Ga. bangsticks to
> > defend against sharks. Some guys used the much smaller .44 magnum
> > revolver cartridge bangsticks which proved to have much more power than
> > the larger 12 Ga in a very short barrel like a bangstick.
> > 
> > If you reloaded a shotgun shell with a faster burning pistol powder, the
> > flare gun would make a powerful weapon. If the shotgun shell shot
> > didn't kill your assailant, the hand grenade that used to be your flare
> > gun would probably kill or maim you both. 
> > 
> > Just douse them with gasoline and shoot them with a safe, standard Olin
> > flare. On second thought, never mind......
> > 
> > Tom T.
> > Red neck in Gun Toting, Bible clutching GaJaw
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: William Knowles <mailto:whk1965 at gmail.com> 
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> 
> > Sent: 12/10/2010 4:33:53 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [C38] On Board weapons
> >
> > They make this insert that will fit in your flare gun and in
> > shoots I think 38 cal bullets. Be good you only get one shot if your
> > target is close. They are legal and do not need to be declared so the ad
> > says. I would not shoot a 12 gauge shotgun shell in a flare gun I do not
> > think it can handle the load and will probably blow up in your hand. 
> >
> > Bill Flying Goose
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jay Sorensen
> > <jsorensen at novarx.com> wrote:
> > 
> >
> > A very good question! My father is actually a felon in
> > Canada for not reporting a firearm (pistol) and then having one found
> > when they searched his RV. He was a 60 year old ex Marine who always
> > ?carried? on trips but didn?t really think about it because he was not a
> > hunter, etc. Talk about embarrassing, and expensive! 
> >
> > 
> >
> > My understanding is the bows, crossbows, flareguns, and
> > spearguns, are not controlled like firearms and can be kept on board
> > without problems. Just don?t use them for fishing without a license!
> >
> > 
> >
> > I thought about using a flare gun as the basis for
> > protection but am not sure how to go about it. Maybe someone out there
> > has some experience?? I think a flaregun that fires 00-buckshot would
> > be cool, but what about that recoil!
> >
> > 
> >
> > Jay Sorensen
> >
> > C-38 #311 Broad Reach
> >
> > San Diego, CA
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> > [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Craig Steinkraus
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:01 PM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: [C38] On Board weapons
> >
> > 
> >
> > There has been conversation before about the pros and
> > cons of carring weapons on board while crusing. My personal opinion is
> > on the fence. I would like to carry one, but , do I really need one, and
> > am I willing to put up with the hassle of declaring it at every
> > potential port of enrty? It has been suggested that I hide one on the
> > boat, but in reality, custom officials probably know of more hiding
> > spots on the boat than I do, so that is not a viable option.
> >
> > 
> >
> > My question is if a crossbow is considered a weapon,
> > and if so, would it be treated the same as a handgun? If someone on this
> > site has any insight, please share it, even if it's to where I might
> > look to find an answer.
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > Craig Steinkraus
> >
> > "Wingss" C-38 #280
> >
> >
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> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > W H Knowles
> > 
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:46:15 -0800
> > From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
> > To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Subject: Re: [C38] Out of line....but we were talking about weapons
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> > Im laughing so hard!! please tell me its not true
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Patrick Harpole
> > Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 10:34 PM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: [C38] Out of line....but we were talking about weapons
> >
> >
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Peter Jensen <mailto:jenpeter99 at gmail.com> 
> > To: Patrick Harpole <mailto:1derful at comcast.net> 
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: Welcome Home from the TSA
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Mattel kiddie phone
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Janet and Peter Petersen <janetnpeter at gmail.com>
> > Date: December 10, 2010 7:42:23 AM MST
> > To: Peter Jensen <jenpeter99 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Fwd: Fw: Welcome Home from the TSA
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Gerry Lumenello < <mailto:lumi2 at cableone.net>
> > lumi2 at cableone.net>
> > Date: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Welcome Home from the TSA
> > To: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > To: <mailto:1color at optonline.net> 1color at optonline.net,
> > <mailto:cooken at optonline.net> cooken at optonline.net,
> > <mailto:denny at denelle.com> denny at denelle.com,
> > <mailto:everettwfrey at hotmail.com> everettwfrey at hotmail.com,
> > <mailto:FCHunter3 at aol.com> FCHunter3 at aol.com,
> > <mailto:tfrost7678 at aol.com> tfrost7678 at aol.com,
> > <mailto:rpaulgallant at yahoo.com> rpaulgallant at yahoo.com,
> > <mailto:Jeff at lavatyart.com> Jeff at lavatyart.com,
> > <mailto:tomar37 at optimum.net> tomar37 at optimum.net,
> > <mailto:MLPape at aol.com> MLPape at aol.com, <mailto:pwj at frontiernet.net>
> > pwj at frontiernet.net, <mailto:jeff.strauss at raveis.com>
> > jeff.strauss at raveis.com, <mailto:tlowrie123 at gmail.com>
> > tlowrie123 at gmail.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 11:14 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > What part of DUMB don't they understand??????????????
> > As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan,
> > I witnessed the following: 
> > 
> > When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew
> > out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body
> > scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine
> > yards. Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had
> > to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the
> > Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started. 
> > 
> > First, everyone was forced to get off the plane-even
> > though the plane wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that
> > plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were
> > filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of
> > escape. Only a male/female latrine. 
> > 
> > It's probably important to mention that we were ALL
> > carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some,
> > like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B
> > machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been
> > cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then
> > AGAIN at customs. 
> > 
> > The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered
> > making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have
> > it re-inspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected
> > piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing
> > dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this
> > holding area, the TSA decided not to re-inspect our Cargo-just to
> > inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already
> > been inspected, re-inspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2
> > hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN. This
> > is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were
> > carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying
> > pistols. 
> > 
> > So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of
> > our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of
> > ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his
> > pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the
> > Soldier that they're going to confiscate his nail clippers. The
> > conversation went something like this: 
> > 
> > TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane. 
> > 
> > Soldier: What? I've had them since we left country. 
> > 
> > TSA Guy: You're not supposed to have them. 
> > 
> > Soldier: Why? 
> > 
> > TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon. 
> > 
> > Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this
> > actually is a weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on. 
> > 
> > TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the
> > plane. You don't have bullets. 
> > 
> > Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail
> > clippers? 
> > 
> > TSA Guy: [awkward silence] 
> > 
> > Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we
> > can get the f**k out of here. I'll buy you a new set. 
> > 
> > Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it
> > through security] 
> > 
> > To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for
> > "explosive residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came
> > home from a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder
> > Residue". Who the F**K is hiring these people? 
> > 
> > This might be a good time to remind everyone that
> > approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles,
> > pistols, and machine guns-but nothing that could have been used as a
> > weapon. 
> > 
> > Can someone please tell me What the F**K happened to OUR
> > country while we were gone? 
> > 
> > Sgt. Mad Dog Tracy
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:10:17 -0800
> From: david at dlrfilms.com
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> Subject: Re: [C38] Catalina 38 Questions
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> 
> > Propane tanks, location, options
> 
> I have two 20 pound tanks. At anchor/nearshore they live strapped outboard
> on the pushpit. Offshore they are strapped down over the lazzarette. If I
> had it to do over again, I'd get 10 pounders.
> 
> > Keel bolts, bilge plywood sole repairs
> 
> Factory details and drawing for this here:
> 
> http://catalina38.org/technical/
> 
> Other tech details that may be of interest.
> 
> > Windlass - where/how best to install.
> 
> I make my wife haul the anchor by hand. YMMV
> 
> > Crack/leaks at chainplates
> 
> My boat is '79 and I am the sixth owner. Had a leak, rebedded. No leak.
> 
> > Worn rudder tube (check if cap moves 1/8" or more)
> 
> Repair details in the above archive. Graphite/epoxy might make a better
> tube. See Gudgeon Bros. website
> 
> > Baby stay/track
> 
> Not needed.
> 
> Check the tabs between the hull and liner!
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:12:12 -0500
> From: "RICHARD KILROY" <dickkilroy at comcast.net>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Catalina 38 Questions
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> Rob: I have owned "Dashaway" since 1999. Since 2000 she has been in Caribbean. Re questions.
> 1) I store my 2 10# propane tanks using stainless hose clamps to the exterior on the stern pulpit.
> 2) Have had the keel bolts tightened once in time of ownership. 1 Catalina smile in this time.
> 3) I have a Loffrens Progress 1, we installed in 1999, no problems other than the foot switches, ran 1 ought cable from the secondary battery bank in the sail locker to the bow. 2-6 volt golf cart batteries. Progress 1 fit in the after section of the anchor well with no mods. You get on your knees to store the 5/16 HT chain. 125 FT.
> 4) Chainplates. Have redone 3 times in my ownership. Area around is sound.
> 5) As someone else said ostrich here, but no known problems.
> 6) Backstay, no problems with the support, navtec adjuster rebuilt 3 time. Have a spare hand adjusted piece I use as replacement, next failure it will be permanent.
> 7) No knowledge on the 380
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> Good luck
> 
> Dick Kilroy
> Dashaway
> Hull 193
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rob Webb 
> To: listserve at catalina38.org 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:40 PM
> Subject: [C38] Catalina 38 Questions
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> 
> Hello Catalina 38 owners,
> 
> I am a yacht broker in Long Beach, CA and a Catalina 30 owner and regular contributor to the Catalina 30 yahoo group. I have a client that wants to know all things to consider before he purchases a C38 (not 380) for blue water cruising. Some of his questions include: 
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> Propane tanks, location, options
> Keel bolts, bilge plywood sole repairs
> Windlass - where/how best to install.
> Crack/leaks at chainplates
> Worn rudder tube (check if cap moves 1/8" or more)
> Baby stay/track
> 
> I am fairly knowledgeable about the boats but wanted to get input from the experts on these and other items he should consider. I am also curious about C38 vs. 380 sailing characteristics from those who have sailed both. 
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> Thanks for your input.
> 
> 
> 
> Rob Webb
> Flying Cloud Yachts
> 6400 Marina Drive (at the Marina Shipyard)
> Long Beach, CA 90803
> Cell: (562) 786-1872
> Office: (562) 594-9716
> FAX: (562) 594-0710
> Rob at robwebbyachts.com 
> www.flyingcloudyachts.com 
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