[C38] I Believe I Can Fly

[Don Strong]

If we are keeping this going, I would recommend Merchants of Doubt, by 
Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway.

On 11/22/10 12:21 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
> Good book
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of RICHARD KILROY
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:36 AM
> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] I Believe I Can Fly
>
> Les: Read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" on this subject if you
> haven't already.
>
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les"<hlhowell at pacbell.net>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve"<listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] I Believe I Can Fly
>
>
>> I don't want to turn this into a debate.  I have been on the ocean for
>> more than 45 years, and I know that the ice is still greater than when
> I
>> first went to sea.  I know that the lower low tide mark is still
> visible
>> at lower low tide in the Phillipines (there was even a TV show with
> the
>> reporter standing on dry sand pointing to it just last year).
>>
>> The "Global Warming" data was parsed, and a histogram shows that
>> parsing.  The emails where dissenting opinions were surpressed are
> well
>> known now, and the total artifice of the hockey stick has already been
>> put to bed by the gentleman whose data was first arbitrarily edited to
>> create it.
>>
>> The NASA scientists have admitted their measurements were off, and the
>> tree rings used in the UN report were from trees that are known by
>> climatologists to provide data that is not accurate when compared with
>> all other tree rings, including the giant redwoods. (which are still
> one
>> of the best long term indicators of global conditions).
>>
>> Mankind is less than 0.01% of the biomass on earth.  We live on less
>> than 10% of the planet, the North Pole is not land, and if it should
>> melt, it will not raise the water level one inch.  All the Glacers on
>> earth that are on land occupy less than 5% of the available landmass.
>>
>> There are no creditable indications that the combined efforts of man
>> have any impact on the environment at all.
>>
>> That is not to say that Global Warming might exist or not exist, only
>> that the entire effort of mankind is not significant on the amount of
>> energy or anything else imposed on the planet.
>>
>> For example the Mount St. Helens eruption exceed mankinds total CO2
>> output for many years.  And it is only one of 10 or so such large
>> eruptions in the last 30 years.  I personally watched a volcano erupt
>> from the sea bed in the middle of the Pacific, where the bottom was
> more
>> than 2 miles below the surface.  The eruption began a day before we
> got
>> there, and rose in 2 days to penetrate the surface of the sea in a
>> cauldera nearly 300 yards across.  The steam and gas cloud was nearly
>> 1/2 mile in diameter and lasted the three days I saw it, and for
> several
>> weeks after that.  That is real energy, and I wouldn't guess at how it
>> ranks compared to our puny manipulations.  Moreover eruptions occur
>> about 2.5 times/month, although the big ones are much less frequent.
>>
>> In the grander scheme of the world, our pitiful efforts are not much
>> significance, either for or against the environment.  Nature wins in
> the
>> end.
>>
>> A road deserted in the jungle disappears in less than 3 seasons.  A
>> concrete high way in less than a decade.
>>
>> The energy hitting earth from the sun is about 197,000,000 square
>> miles*4,000,000 square yards in a square mile*1000 watts per square
>> yard(approx)*2.75 hours (averaged for full intensity exposure over the
>> angle of the surface and 24 hours) in watts/day.
>>
>> For all our yammering, our power production and any effects it has is
> a
>> pitiful drop in the bucket.
>>
>> I do believe we need nuclear energy, fusion if we can get it to work,
>> fission if not.  Not biofuel because we need to reinvigorate the earth
>> with the debris we don't eat, not sun light (if we turn that solar
>> energy into electricity, we are producing a type of energy pollution
>> that is far more damaging than most people realize), and not by any
>> magic.  Just a good economical design of a 24/7 energy source.  But
> this
>> has nothing to do with Global Warming, but rather a good solid bit of
>> real intelligence about our real place in the universe.
>>
>> The sky is not falling, and only Al Gore and his chosen friends will
>> get rich and still drive their armored limos, fly in private jets and
>> laugh at the fools whose livelihood they are stealing.
>>
>> We need to explore space, do real research for the next planet for our
>> species, and find if we are really alone, we need good energy so our
>> children have a bright and hopeful future, and we don't need to saddle
>> them with unworkable "solutions" that simply enrich others at their
>> expense.
>>
>> You are free to disagree, but this is my last word on the subject.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 23:27 -0800, Joseph Launie wrote:
>>> Les,
>>>       This topic affects us all. The oceans do not come off too well
> if
>>> we do nothing. Joe Launie/Macavity
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2010 2:02 PM, Les wrote:
>>
>>
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Donald R. Strong
Professor
Dept. of Evolution and Ecology
University of California, Davis 95616