[C38] Salon Shelving Options

Wed Dec 1 03:11:13 EST 2010

Max,

The pulpit also helps to move the chute forward away from the boat opening up the slot between the main and spinnaker making it more efficient.   Lots of boats will use the J length spinnaker pole rather than tacking off of the bow.  Its also not uncommon to loose the backstay all the way and pull the mast forward with a jib or spinnaker halyard attached to the bow, to help get a  little more distance in the slot.    Another method for jybing is to run the lazy sheet around the stay, fall off and use the main to help collapse the chute then jybing it over in front of the stay.   The polars for our boats show that a poled asym has almost the identically same curve as a symetric chute (not sure Im sold on that though as asyms tend to have less area). Our asym is a narrow shouldered A3ish design.  It was built with cruising in mind and ease of use, we have a sock for it which makes it very easy to deploy, takedown and even jybe sometimes depending on weather.   The best we have done with ours is about 7.8 in 20 knots of breeze (its only about 900 sq/ft of area).   

Steve
#312 Peregrine
Seattle

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
Sent: Tue 11/30/2010 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max.
    The assymetric chute is much easier to fly. It requires less muscle on the foredeck than the pole. We have added a 3.5 foot Seldon adjustable sprit. When we go to set the assy chute, the tack is hooked up 3.5 feet in front of the bow. The foot of the chute goes into the slot in the bow pulpit rather than having to drape over the top. It holds it in place during the set. If you look at the J-120 or J-105, both of whom have sprits, you will see the top slot for the chute. The sprit makes it much easier to jibe the chute. Joe

On 11/30/2010 1:27 PM, Max Soto wrote: 

	 Joe, what is the benefit of that pulpit style ?? 
	I thought that it was easier to use a spinnaker pole, but what's the advantage with an Assy?been able to reach for the tack shackle on the bow sprit??
	Regards, max

	Sent from my iPod

	On Nov 30, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net> wrote:

		Jay,
		    Not only will our new .5 assym be mast head, it will be a bit longer on the foot because we will take advantage of our 3.5 foot adjustable sprit for a 19 foot J. We are making it with small shoulders so it will be easier to fly in the 3 to 6 wind range. We need horsepower there. Getting it down will be interesting. Joe Launie/ Macavity

		On 11/30/2010 8:15 AM, Jay Sorensen wrote: 

			Joe,

			Nice idea changing to a J-120 type of pulpit.  I crewed as bowman on a J-120 here in San Diego and it's a pleasure to handle asym's up front using a hatch bag and open pulpit.  A mast head 0.5 asym on a C-38 is going to be HUGE!  

			Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

			C-38 #311 Broad Reach

			San Diego, CA

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			From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Launie
			Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:44 PM
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			Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

			Phil,
			    Photos of our shelving solution coming on wed. when I am going to the boat to pull the bow pulpit for a make-over. We are changing to a J-120 type pulpit for our assymetric chute. We use our shelves mostly or books and knicknacks. We have slats that slide in place and pull out easily. Works - we will also show our instrument boxes which hid the back of instruments in the cabin side. Joe Launie/Macavity

			On 11/29/2010 10:10 PM, Phil Gay wrote: 

			We didn't reinforce the shelves, but mainly put fruits, vegetables, and
			breads in them.  It doesn't seem like things would stay put, they do at
			least up to 30 degrees of heel.  Of course we got more heel the couple of
			times when we ran aground on an outgoing tide.  ;-)  We sometime get a tide
			range of 16 feet in 8 hours.

			Phil Gay

			C38 049 Que Linda

			Everett, WA

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			[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
			Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:15 PM
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			We borrowed the idea from Phil and Linda after seeing how nice they look and
			work and are happy with arrangement.  It allows you to pull out or reach in
			the basket you need without disturbing the others.  Phil how did you
			reinforce the upper shelf?  I've been thinking of epoxying a teak block
			underneath the shelf at the mid point.  

			Steve

			#312 Peregrine

			Seattle

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			From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Phil Gay
			Sent: Mon 11/29/2010 11:41 AM
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			My wife really like to use baskets there.

			Phil Gay

			C38 049 Que Linda

			Everett, WA

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			[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
			Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:20 AM
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			Subject: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

			Good Morning All,

			First Mate Dorothy is interested in using the salon shelves for storage of
			items but does not like seeing things fly across the salon when things get
			rough.

			Has anyone added a bungee net, doors, railing, etc. to the shelves to make
			them more functional in rough weather?  It does happen occasionally here in
			San Diego!

			There is a lot of space there but it's completely open.  

			Thanks!

			Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

			C-38 #311 Broad Reach

			San Diego, CA

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