[C38] Salon Shelving Options

Wed Dec 1 12:29:03 EST 2010

Hey, Jay.  Where do you keep your boat?  I am at Southwestern Yacht Club.

Bob Miller "Bolero" #113

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:07 AM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

First, thanks to all who described options for making our shelf storage more
secure.  We really appreciate the quick response and excellent suggestions.
Now it's time to measure and think.

>From crewing as bowman on the J-120 Scamp for many years I have a couple of
observations to improve performance of Asyms when racing for anyone who is
interested.  

1.             If the seas are calm (under 15 knots wind) it is beneficial
to ease the tack line to allow the tack to ride apx 1 foot or so above the
spirit pole.  This increases the size of the slot between the main and spin
and increases the projected area.  In rougher conditions the control
associated with having the tack directly on the spirit pole is preferred.

2.             It is easier to do an inside jibe vs. an outside jibe.  It
may be common sense but we still see boats out there trying to get the sail
to loop around the front.

3.             When jibing, bear down gently, ease the working spin sheet as
the helmsman bears down and don't start bringing in the new sheet until the
clew is afore the headstay.  Then completely ease, and I mean completely
blow, the old sheet while bringing in the new.  Waiting until the tack is
afore the headstay makes all the difference.  Otherwise you're just fighting
it too much.  Practice this a couple of times and you will be an expert.
It's very intuitive.  The sail will practically fold itself in half.  Very
cool.

4.             Watch the spin sheets and make sure they do not get trapped
under, or around, the spirit pole.  It's not pretty when the tack line and
lazy sheet are trapped.  Trust me on that....

5.             Loose is fast!  We always try to fly the asym with 1-3 panels
folded over on the lazy side (speed curls) and constantly play the sheet to
maintain that shape.  I don't know why it works but it does.  I'm sure there
is some aeronautical engineer out there who could explain it. 

6.             If you drop the asym using the forward hatch and bag, always
drop on the port side of the forestay as all of the lines will be ready to
run for the next hoist.  Provided all you are doing is standard windward
leeward courses and bear away sets!  That is probably the best thing about
using asyms!  Even if you have to do weather douse, just bear down to ease
the load on the spin and manhandle it around the forestay using the lazy
sheet.  Be sure to keep the foot out of the water!  But most C-38's won't be
dropping down the forward hatch, right?  So do you re-rig after every douse?

Wow, that was long winded.  Sorry about that.

Jay Sorensen

C-38, #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:11 AM
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Subject: RE: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max,

The pulpit also helps to move the chute forward away from the boat opening
up the slot between the main and spinnaker making it more efficient.   Lots
of boats will use the J length spinnaker pole rather than tacking off of the
bow.  Its also not uncommon to loose the backstay all the way and pull the
mast forward with a jib or spinnaker halyard attached to the bow, to help
get a  little more distance in the slot.    Another method for jybing is to
run the lazy sheet around the stay, fall off and use the main to help
collapse the chute then jybing it over in front of the stay.   The polars
for our boats show that a poled asym has almost the identically same curve
as a symetric chute (not sure Im sold on that though as asyms tend to have
less area). Our asym is a narrow shouldered A3ish design.  It was built with
cruising in mind and ease of use, we have a sock for it which makes it very
easy to deploy, takedown and even jybe sometimes depending on weather.   The
best we have done with ours is about 7.8 in 20 knots of breeze (its only
about 900 sq/ft of area).   

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
Sent: Tue 11/30/2010 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max.
    The assymetric chute is much easier to fly. It requires less muscle on
the foredeck than the pole. We have added a 3.5 foot Seldon adjustable
sprit. When we go to set the assy chute, the tack is hooked up 3.5 feet in
front of the bow. The foot of the chute goes into the slot in the bow pulpit
rather than having to drape over the top. It holds it in place during the
set. If you look at the J-120 or J-105, both of whom have sprits, you will
see the top slot for the chute. The sprit makes it much easier to jibe the
chute. Joe

On 11/30/2010 1:27 PM, Max Soto wrote: 

 Joe, what is the benefit of that pulpit style ?? 

I thought that it was easier to use a spinnaker pole, but what's the
advantage with an Assy?been able to reach for the tack shackle on the bow
sprit??

Regards, max

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 30, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net> wrote:

Jay,
    Not only will our new .5 assym be mast head, it will be a bit longer on
the foot because we will take advantage of our 3.5 foot adjustable sprit for
a 19 foot J. We are making it with small shoulders so it will be easier to
fly in the 3 to 6 wind range. We need horsepower there. Getting it down will
be interesting. Joe Launie/ Macavity

On 11/30/2010 8:15 AM, Jay Sorensen wrote: 

Joe,

Nice idea changing to a J-120 type of pulpit.  I crewed as bowman on a J-120
here in San Diego and it's a pleasure to handle asym's up front using a
hatch bag and open pulpit.  A mast head 0.5 asym on a C-38 is going to be
HUGE!  

Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

C-38 #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Launie
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:44 PM
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Phil,
    Photos of our shelving solution coming on wed. when I am going to the
boat to pull the bow pulpit for a make-over. We are changing to a J-120 type
pulpit for our assymetric chute. We use our shelves mostly or books and
knicknacks. We have slats that slide in place and pull out easily. Works -
we will also show our instrument boxes which hid the back of instruments in
the cabin side. Joe Launie/Macavity

On 11/29/2010 10:10 PM, Phil Gay wrote: 

We didn't reinforce the shelves, but mainly put fruits, vegetables, and
breads in them.  It doesn't seem like things would stay put, they do at
least up to 30 degrees of heel.  Of course we got more heel the couple of
times when we ran aground on an outgoing tide.  ;-)  We sometime get a tide
range of 16 feet in 8 hours.

Phil Gay

C38 049 Que Linda

Everett, WA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:15 PM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

We borrowed the idea from Phil and Linda after seeing how nice they look and
work and are happy with arrangement.  It allows you to pull out or reach in
the basket you need without disturbing the others.  Phil how did you
reinforce the upper shelf?  I've been thinking of epoxying a teak block
underneath the shelf at the mid point.  

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Phil Gay
Sent: Mon 11/29/2010 11:41 AM
To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

My wife really like to use baskets there.

Phil Gay

C38 049 Que Linda

Everett, WA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:20 AM
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Good Morning All,

First Mate Dorothy is interested in using the salon shelves for storage of
items but does not like seeing things fly across the salon when things get
rough.

Has anyone added a bungee net, doors, railing, etc. to the shelves to make
them more functional in rough weather?  It does happen occasionally here in
San Diego!

There is a lot of space there but it's completely open.  

Thanks!

Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

C-38 #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

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