[C38] Salon Shelving Options

Wed Dec 1 13:02:34 EST 2010

Hi Bob.  We are right across the way at Kona Kai.  We should meet up for
lunch or something.   It would be great to get a couple of the C-38's in
San Diego out for a group sail and maybe a raft up at La Playa or
Glorietta.  Any other interested SD based C-38's on the mailing list
here??    

My e-mail is jsorensen at novarx.com if you want to contact me off the
board.  We should set up something for 2011 when the weather is a little
warmer.  We went out the Sat after Thanksgiving and it was blowing in
the high teen's outside.  Clear and cool, it was one of the best sails
all year!  The Californian and America were out under full sail.  Even
the IACC Star and Stripes was flying an Asym down the bay.  Quite a
show. 

BTW the new SWYC building is impressive!  Much larger and nicer in every
way.  And that deck is huge! 

I now crew on the Serendipity 43 Hown Dawg out of Silvergate YC and we
know the crew of Sea Maiden from SWYC very well.  We came in 2nd in CRA
high point this year but just can't seem to get ahead of French Bread.
But for a 28 year old boat we do pretty well.    

Jay Sorensen

C-38, #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

________________________________

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Robert Miller
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:29 AM
To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Hey, Jay.  Where do you keep your boat?  I am at Southwestern Yacht
Club.

Bob Miller "Bolero" #113

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:07 AM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

First, thanks to all who described options for making our shelf storage
more secure.  We really appreciate the quick response and excellent
suggestions.  Now it's time to measure and think.

>From crewing as bowman on the J-120 Scamp for many years I have a couple
of observations to improve performance of Asyms when racing for anyone
who is interested.  

1.                   If the seas are calm (under 15 knots wind) it is
beneficial to ease the tack line to allow the tack to ride apx 1 foot or
so above the spirit pole.  This increases the size of the slot between
the main and spin and increases the projected area.  In rougher
conditions the control associated with having the tack directly on the
spirit pole is preferred.

2.                   It is easier to do an inside jibe vs. an outside
jibe.  It may be common sense but we still see boats out there trying to
get the sail to loop around the front.

3.                   When jibing, bear down gently, ease the working
spin sheet as the helmsman bears down and don't start bringing in the
new sheet until the clew is afore the headstay.  Then completely ease,
and I mean completely blow, the old sheet while bringing in the new.
Waiting until the tack is afore the headstay makes all the difference.
Otherwise you're just fighting it too much.  Practice this a couple of
times and you will be an expert.  It's very intuitive.  The sail will
practically fold itself in half.  Very cool.

4.                   Watch the spin sheets and make sure they do not get
trapped under, or around, the spirit pole.  It's not pretty when the
tack line and lazy sheet are trapped.  Trust me on that............

5.                   Loose is fast!  We always try to fly the asym with
1-3 panels folded over on the lazy side (speed curls) and constantly
play the sheet to maintain that shape.  I don't know why it works but it
does.  I'm sure there is some aeronautical engineer out there who could
explain it. 

6.                   If you drop the asym using the forward hatch and
bag, always drop on the port side of the forestay as all of the lines
will be ready to run for the next hoist.  Provided all you are doing is
standard windward leeward courses and bear away sets!  That is probably
the best thing about using asyms!  Even if you have to do weather douse,
just bear down to ease the load on the spin and manhandle it around the
forestay using the lazy sheet.  Be sure to keep the foot out of the
water!  But most C-38's won't be dropping down the forward hatch, right?
So do you re-rig after every douse? 

Wow, that was long winded.  Sorry about that.

Jay Sorensen

C-38, #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

________________________________

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:11 AM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: RE: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max,

The pulpit also helps to move the chute forward away from the boat
opening up the slot between the main and spinnaker making it more
efficient.   Lots of boats will use the J length spinnaker pole rather
than tacking off of the bow.  Its also not uncommon to loose the
backstay all the way and pull the mast forward with a jib or spinnaker
halyard attached to the bow, to help get a  little more distance in the
slot.    Another method for jybing is to run the lazy sheet around the
stay, fall off and use the main to help collapse the chute then jybing
it over in front of the stay.   The polars for our boats show that a
poled asym has almost the identically same curve as a symetric chute
(not sure Im sold on that though as asyms tend to have less area). Our
asym is a narrow shouldered A3ish design.  It was built with cruising in
mind and ease of use, we have a sock for it which makes it very easy to
deploy, takedown and even jybe sometimes depending on weather.   The
best we have done with ours is about 7.8 in 20 knots of breeze (its only
about 900 sq/ft of area).   

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

________________________________

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
Sent: Tue 11/30/2010 11:18 PM
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max.
    The assymetric chute is much easier to fly. It requires less muscle
on the foredeck than the pole. We have added a 3.5 foot Seldon
adjustable sprit. When we go to set the assy chute, the tack is hooked
up 3.5 feet in front of the bow. The foot of the chute goes into the
slot in the bow pulpit rather than having to drape over the top. It
holds it in place during the set. If you look at the J-120 or J-105,
both of whom have sprits, you will see the top slot for the chute. The
sprit makes it much easier to jibe the chute. Joe

On 11/30/2010 1:27 PM, Max Soto wrote: 

 Joe, what is the benefit of that pulpit style ?? 

I thought that it was easier to use a spinnaker pole, but what's the
advantage with an Assy?been able to reach for the tack shackle on the
bow sprit??

Regards, max

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 30, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net> wrote:

	Jay,
	    Not only will our new .5 assym be mast head, it will be a
bit longer on the foot because we will take advantage of our 3.5 foot
adjustable sprit for a 19 foot J. We are making it with small shoulders
so it will be easier to fly in the 3 to 6 wind range. We need horsepower
there. Getting it down will be interesting. Joe Launie/ Macavity

	On 11/30/2010 8:15 AM, Jay Sorensen wrote: 

	Joe,

	Nice idea changing to a J-120 type of pulpit.  I crewed as
bowman on a J-120 here in San Diego and it's a pleasure to handle asym's
up front using a hatch bag and open pulpit.  A mast head 0.5 asym on a
C-38 is going to be HUGE!  

	Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

	C-38 #311 Broad Reach

	San Diego, CA

________________________________

	From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Launie
	Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:44 PM
	To: listserve at catalina38.org
	Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

	Phil,
	    Photos of our shelving solution coming on wed. when I am
going to the boat to pull the bow pulpit for a make-over. We are
changing to a J-120 type pulpit for our assymetric chute. We use our
shelves mostly or books and knicknacks. We have slats that slide in
place and pull out easily. Works - we will also show our instrument
boxes which hid the back of instruments in the cabin side. Joe
Launie/Macavity

	On 11/29/2010 10:10 PM, Phil Gay wrote: 

	We didn't reinforce the shelves, but mainly put fruits,
vegetables, and
	breads in them.  It doesn't seem like things would stay put,
they do at
	least up to 30 degrees of heel.  Of course we got more heel the
couple of
	times when we ran aground on an outgoing tide.  ;-)  We sometime
get a tide
	range of 16 feet in 8 hours.

	Phil Gay

	C38 049 Que Linda

	Everett, WA

	From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
	[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Smolinske
	Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:15 PM
	To: Catalina 38 Listserve
	Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

	We borrowed the idea from Phil and Linda after seeing how nice
they look and
	work and are happy with arrangement.  It allows you to pull out
or reach in
	the basket you need without disturbing the others.  Phil how did
you
	reinforce the upper shelf?  I've been thinking of epoxying a
teak block
	underneath the shelf at the mid point.  

	Steve

	#312 Peregrine

	Seattle

	  _____  

	From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Phil Gay
	Sent: Mon 11/29/2010 11:41 AM
	To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
	Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

	My wife really like to use baskets there.

	Phil Gay

	C38 049 Que Linda

	Everett, WA

	From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
	[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay
Sorensen
	Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:20 AM
	To: listserve at catalina38.org
	Subject: [C38] Salon Shelving Options

	Good Morning All,

	First Mate Dorothy is interested in using the salon shelves for
storage of
	items but does not like seeing things fly across the salon when
things get
	rough.

	Has anyone added a bungee net, doors, railing, etc. to the
shelves to make
	them more functional in rough weather?  It does happen
occasionally here in
	San Diego!

	There is a lot of space there but it's completely open.  

	Thanks!

	Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

	C-38 #311 Broad Reach

	San Diego, CA

	_______________________________________________
	Listserve mailing list
	Listserve at catalina38.org
	http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org

	_______________________________________________
	Listserve mailing list
	Listserve at catalina38.org
	http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org

	_______________________________________________
	Listserve mailing list
	Listserve at catalina38.org
	http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org

_______________________________________________
Listserve mailing list
Listserve at catalina38.org
http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://catalina38.org/pipermail/listserve_catalina38.org/attachments/20101201/29d0dc68/attachment-0001.htm>