[C38] On Board weapons

Sat Dec 11 01:41:17 EST 2010

I am a firm believer in gun rights and personally have several shotguns, assault rifles and handguns, I have a concealled weapons permit too.  With that said I do not carry a gun on my person or on my boat and I keep them locked in a safe with trigger locks.  It's your right to own firearms and even carry them but with that comes a huge responsibility too.  

Before my in-laws went to Alaska for the summer on their boat some 15 years ago Dad bought a Winchester Stainless steel marine shotgun.  As they were gone for three months and all alone in very very remote areas they felt it prudent as did we.   Its a short version of the standard 12 guage.  I now have it but have never taken it aboard as I have'nt seen the need cruising around the sound or the San Juans, If I ever felt the need it would be my weapon of choice.  The sawed off 12 guage for a boat offers many advantages the primary one being fire power!  You have the option of every kind of load imaginable from slugs to bird shot, I also have 12 guage non-lethal rounds that fire pepper spray, tear gas, flash bangs, rubber pellets and one that shoots a stream of fire about 100 feet (Larry during transpac keep your distance at night and make sure your boat is well lite :) ) you can even get flechettes too.  Best of all in the dark if you were to say stop I have a gun that might not work, but if you pump a round in the chamber that is all that it normally takes to strike fear to the bone in most people.  Any round fired from a shot gun at night will put on quite a light show and scare off any would-be intruder.  I read an article some years back in Ocean Navigator about a cruiser making his way into a mexican port late one night at the end of a long voyage, he had a persistant radar target that he was worried that it was a pirate.  He tried hailing on the VHF, altered course several times and the target altered as well and kept closing.  He could'nt decide if it was a fisherman following him or a pirate, he got his shotgun fired a round into the air in the pitch black and the target changed course and never reappeared.  

Side note on firearms, with the litigious climate we live in many law abiding citizens who have used firearms for valid self defense reasons have found themselves imprisioned or bankrupt defending themselves.  For home defense my weapon of choice is a glock model 21 (.45 caliber)  and the first round in the clip is a rubber round, if you should ever have to use your weapon and injure or kill someone a rubber round shows that you at least tried everything possible before using lethal force (even when the SOB is in your home).   If you do decide to have a gun be mentally prepared to use it, the worst thing that you could do is to have someone take it from you and then turn it on you.  Go to the range or the woods and get comfortable using it, if you ever have to use it that would not be the time for indecision or confusion about its operation.  Also if you keep a gun on the boat, make sure you strip it first and liberally oil the barrel and firing mechanisms.  Use trigger locks and never keep a round chambered especially on a boat. IMHO. 

 Word of caution when walking the dock carrying one of these to or from the boat it normally gets really quiet.  

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Steve
#312 Peregrine
Seattle

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Tom T.
Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 2:02 PM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: Re: [C38] On Board weapons

I'm with Wm. Knowles on the flare gun possibly blowing up with shotgun shells.

Even if your gun survived the shotgun shell, your assailant you shot would probably be very agitated and annoyed at you for scaring him with a flare gun.  The slow burning powder of a shotgun shell needs at least a few inches of barrel to get any energy.

Back in the 60's some scuba divers started carrying 12 Ga. bangsticks to defend against sharks.  Some guys used the much smaller .44 magnum revolver cartridge bangsticks which proved to have much more power than the larger 12 Ga in a very short barrel like a bangstick.

If you reloaded a shotgun shell with a faster burning pistol powder, the flare gun would make a powerful weapon.  If the shotgun shell shot didn't kill your assailant, the hand grenade that used to be your flare gun would probably kill or maim you both. 

Just douse them with gasoline and shoot them with a safe, standard Olin flare.  On second thought, never mind......

Tom T.
Red neck in Gun Toting, Bible clutching GaJaw

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: William Knowles <mailto:whk1965 at gmail.com>  
	To: Catalina 38 Listserve <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> 
	Sent: 12/10/2010 4:33:53 PM 
	Subject: Re: [C38] On Board weapons

	They make this insert that will fit in your flare gun and in shoots I think 38 cal bullets. Be good you only get one shot if your target is close. They are legal and do not need to be declared so the ad says. I would not shoot a 12 gauge shotgun shell in a flare gun I do not think it can handle the load and will probably blow up in your hand. 

	Bill Flying Goose

	On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jay Sorensen <jsorensen at novarx.com> wrote:

		A very good question!  My father is actually a felon in Canada for not reporting a firearm (pistol) and then having one found when they searched his RV.  He was a 60 year old ex Marine who always ?carried? on trips but didn?t really think about it because he was not a hunter, etc.  Talk about embarrassing, and expensive! 

		My understanding is the bows, crossbows, flareguns, and spearguns, are not controlled like firearms and can be kept on board without problems.  Just don?t use them for fishing without a license!

		I thought about using a flare gun as the basis for protection but am not sure how to go about it.  Maybe someone out there has some experience??  I think a flaregun that fires 00-buckshot would be cool, but what about that recoil!

		Jay Sorensen

		C-38 #311 Broad Reach

		San Diego, CA

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		From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Craig Steinkraus
		Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:01 PM
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		Subject: [C38] On Board weapons

		There has been conversation before about the pros and cons of carring weapons on board while crusing. My personal opinion is on the fence. I would like to carry one, but , do I really need one, and am I willing to put up with the hassle of declaring it at every potential port of enrty? It has been suggested that I hide one on the boat, but in reality, custom officials probably know of more hiding spots on the boat than I do, so that is not a viable option.

		 My question is if a crossbow is considered a weapon, and if so, would it be treated the same as a handgun? If someone on this site has any insight, please share it, even if it's to where I might look to find an answer.

		Craig Steinkraus

		"Wingss" C-38 #280

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