[C38] New Guy & Port Winch Access...

Mark O'Dell mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com
Mon Sep 26 13:22:05 EDT 2011


Thanx for the welcome and picture, Max....

Unfortunately for the access though.... I have a rather large double propane
locker hanging in the way. Don't know if it's worth taking apart. In the end
I'm thinking that the access that I would cut, would be convenient and quite
hidden from view, so I might just go for it anyway. The first step is
getting winches that fit!

Those Lewmar 48stor I bought just ain't big enough (Bummer). Which reminds
me... I'm in need of some winches... anybody got a set of 58sts or similar
out there? I have the original 3-speeds and the 48s listed below as trade(?)

I have the 48s on Craigslist, if anyone knows anybody that might be
interested: http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/2617932411.html

Also... I just got access to the assoc web site... What a great resource!!!
So glad I found you guys. Those drawing are going to come in handy in the
future.

Again, thanx for all the responses and advice!

If anyone is curious, I posted some video of last weekend's cruise on
YouTube. Reefed and flying along in 20knts of wind in the coffee-colored
Chesapeake! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvKcGVEQhc

Mark O'
Momentous #230
Baltimore, MD



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Mark, Welcomo to te group and congrats on  Momentous purchase!!!
>
> Here's a pic from the inside of the starboard locker looking forward. At
> the top of the pic, you'll see a small opening and the starboard winch
> bolts. So, it  is very easy to replace it.. no need to cut above the icebox.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
>
> Max Soto
> C38 #198 Estancia
> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>
>
> 2011/9/22 Mark O'Dell <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com>
>
>> Hey All...
>>
>> Please excuse the intrusion on this thread, but I am NEW to the list and I
>> don't exactly know the etiquette involved in using this email list, or how
>> it all works....so here goes...
>>
>> My name is Mark O'Dell, my father John and I recently purchased '83 C38
>> #230 (was SPIRIT, now MOMENTOUS) out of Holiday Point Marina in Edgewater,
>> MD.
>>
>> We moved the boat up to our yard on Jones Creek, off the Patapsco River in
>> Baltimore. We got an insane deal on her, and she is in great shape... sails
>> great, runs great, all seems to be well... and loaded with gear, electronics
>> and sails!
>>
>> I was excited to hear from this thread that there are a few C38s in my
>> area. The G.O.B. Regatta sounds fun as hell, and hopefully in the future I
>> could catch up with you, crew for you, or race along side of you... but for
>> the immediate future, I was wondering if I might solicit some advice on a
>> few things related to winch upgrades / access, and dodgers frames.
>>
>> Winch Upgrades / Access:
>>
>> I still have the old Lewmar 48 3spds, and I've been anxious to switch them
>> out for STs. So, I found a GREAT deal on a set of Lewmar 48STOR alloys off a
>> boat in annap., but when I went to put them on I found two things: 1) There
>> was virtually NO access to the portside winch due to a propane locker and
>> the actual position of the winch itself and, 2) the physical dimensions of
>> these new 48s were significantly smaller than the 3spds... so much so, that
>> I just didn't think they were beefy enough to use, not to mention the glass
>> work that I'd have to do to cover up the now exposed old bolt hole pattern.
>>
>> I was thinking of stepping it up to the Lewmar 58stors (found a deal on
>> those too). They look as if they will match in foot print and physical size
>> much closer.
>>
>>
>> I've tried to do some online photo research to see what other C38s have, but honestly, it looks as if the majority (of the ones that are for sale at least), still have the old 3spds.
>>
>> So.... what do I use? What is a popular model for primary winch upgrades?
>> 58s?  And... how about port access... honestly, it's really looking like I
>> have to cut a new access panel in the headliner above the galley ice box.(?)
>>
>> Factory dodger frames:
>>
>> I would very much like to install a California-style dodger. Was this a
>> factory option when new? Are there factory frame templates that exist
>> anywhere? Any recommendations for who to use locally (Balt / Annap), or
>> where to obtain one? Obviously I can go custom, just thought I'd ask.
>>
>>
>> Again, sorry for the intrusion to this thread.... Please let me know if
>> there is a proper way to do this stuff.
>>
>> Thanx for listening, and I look forward to being a productive member of
>> this list. So far I couldn't be more satisfied with owning a C38.
>>
>> Mark O'Dell
>> Momentous
>> C38 #230
>> Baltimore, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Chuck,
>>> We are on the same page her...
>>> I just checked the manual from my friends transmission, guess what! It's
>>> a Technodrive twin disc unit. This one is the 60 model (Hurth hbw125
>>> replacement) and the cost was $1260. The 40 is $980 at Transmission Marine
>>> in Fourt Lauderdale. This is by far the cheapest place that I have found for
>>> transmissions and parts.  Www. <http://Marinegears.com>Marinegears.com
>>> Regards, max
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:14, Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws> wrote:
>>>
>>>  *Max,
>>> This looks very much like the Beta Marine transmission I installed this
>>> summer!  TECHNODRIVE Twin Disc TMC 40 P transmission, NEW: US $1,098.00
>>>
>>> from <http://soundmarinediesel.com/transmissions.shtml>
>>> http://soundmarinediesel.com/transmissions.shtml
>>> My original Hurth ZF failed last summer and I had it rebuilt.  Whole job
>>> cost about $3000 and took more than a month.  It failed again this summer
>>> with less than 40 hours total on the transmission.    I don't know whether
>>> the second failure  was due to a bad rebuild or shoddy workmanship by
>>> Shelburne Boatyard (of the 8 bolts that hold the transmission to the engine,
>>> 3 were so loose they were removed without a wrench).  Our webmaster (Anders)
>>> removed the Hurth transmission the second time around and it took him 45
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>> I did have problems with the original Beta transmission sent (it would
>>> not reliably shift into forward), but the folks at sound marine diesel were
>>> so accommodating that despite having to switch it out I would still
>>> recommend them.  They spent a couple hours on the phone with me and even
>>> sent the replacement without charging me for having two of their
>>> transmissions in my possession  (I wanted the replacement on hand so I could
>>> change it out when I had the time).
>>> You should also be aware there is a 1/4 inch difference in the height of
>>> these transmissions.  For those of us keeping the 5424, this requires we
>>> lower the engine a 1/4 inch.  This can be challenging, given where our motor
>>> mounts are and the fact most folks will find the nuts and threads are in
>>> rough shape.  Speaking of motor mounts!  I highly recommended that you
>>> change out your motor mounts and install a flex coupler when changing the
>>> transmission!  You can pretty much bet your motor mounts need replacing
>>> after 10 years and some engine manufacturers recommend half that time.
>>> Another reason to change your motor mounts during transmission work is there
>>> is a lot more room back there to work without the transmission in the way
>>> and it takes about 40 pounds off the motor lift.
>>> And don't let a boatyard tell you you need to pull the boat to do this!
>>> I paid for three lifts ($900) because Shelburne Boatyard insisted this was
>>> necessary. They said the prop shaft would have to be removed to make room.
>>> After disconnecting the drive shaft coupling, put a hose clamp on the end of
>>> the shaft and slide it back until there is enough room to work on the
>>> transmission  (the hose coupling ensures you don't accidentally let the
>>> shaft slide out of the boat).
>>>
>>> Yes, Steve, I need to write this up as a tech article!
>>>
>>> Chuck Finn
>>> Mighty Quinn  #114
>>> Great Lakes**
>>> ***
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 10:12 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> For those who are planning to replace the Hurth HBW100 or newer ZF  M10
>>> from the Universal 5424, M35 and  25XP series, according to some marine
>>> engine manufacturers and some forums, these new ZF trannys are now half as
>>> strong and reliable as our old long lasting Hurths....
>>> I was told that the place that makes all the internals is not the same
>>> and this is what made the huge difference.
>>>  When I was quoting, I was told by the engine sales person  to buy the
>>> bobtail engine and install my old transmission instead of the new ZF10 that
>>> they use, or go to the new Twin Disc MG340.  The twin disc MG340 is the
>>> right replacement for our engines, and is what Phasor MArine and Betamarine
>>> are recommending now after so many problems with  customers that were using
>>> ZF10....
>>> They share the same foot print, shaft and coupling measures, so,  same
>>> damper plate and bellhousing adaptor can be used. Engine just has to be
>>> raised 5mm and shifting cable routed to port of the tranny,  and that's it.
>>> They are supposed to be stronger and more reliable. Plus, they are a few
>>> bucks cheaper.  I know it because I just bought one for a friend with a
>>> Perkins engine...
>>>
>>>  <http://www.twindisc.com/MarineProducts/MarineTransSeries_mg_340.html>
>>> http://www.twindisc.com/MarineProducts/MarineTransSeries_mg_340.html
>>>
>>>  Again, this is just what I have been told, but after checking some
>>> forums, it appears to be true..... If planning to go this way, please do
>>> your own research... But hopefully, this will help some of you..
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>>   Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>>
>>>
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