[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 894

Glenn Walters bluenoseyachts at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 08:22:16 EST 2011


Hard to believe that someone has not added rudder bearings.

I am planning  to do so with a new rudder and shaft.  Seems doable in
theory but if I can avoid reinventing  the "wheel " so to speak that would
be nice.

Glenn
POIA #13
On Dec 1, 2011 8:08 AM, <listserve-request at catalina38.org> wrote:

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> From: Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net>
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> Glenn,
>     A boatyard owner friend of mine added Harken bearings to the rudder
> shaft of his Wilderness 40. I helped install them. He had to remove them
> later. Joe
>
> On 11/30/2011 1:21 PM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355 wrote:
> > Does anyone have experience in modifying and adding rudder bearings
> > rather than the standard bushings?
> >
> > thanks
> > Glenn Walters
> > POIA hull #13
> >
> > On 11/29/2011 8:55 PM, listserve-request at catalina38.org wrote:
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> >>     1. Re: Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive (Max Soto)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:47:06 -0600
> >> From: Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com>
> >> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>,
> >>     mwlewis at comcast.net
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive
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> >> Hey Mark,
> >> Here a re a few pics from the engine room and the lazarette. There is no
> >> cut out, because never had anything separating the lazarette from engine
> >> room. You'll have to remove yours in order to accommodate the radial
> >> wheel.
> >> The rudder obviously has been removed, so you can see the packing
> >> gland and
> >> the piece of wood that works as rudder stop.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, the void in my hull between the rudder post and the strut location
> >> was just filled with foam and fiberglased, so water coming from the
> >> rudder
> >> gland will go right to the bilge without accumulating in the engine
> >> room.
> >> Hopefully, the humidity in this area will drop a lot.
> >> These areas are the most neglected by myself on Estancia, but I just
> >> started working on them, hopefully they'll look great in a few weeks.
> >> Regards,
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/11/25 Mark Lewis<mwlewis at comcast.net>
> >>
> >>> Steve,****
> >>>
> >>> ** **
> >>>
> >>> It looks like there is barely room for an 8" radial.  Does your boat
> >>> have
> >>> a cutout in the rear lazerrette to accommodate it?  See pics of my
> >>> boat.**
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>> ** **
> >>>
> >>> Mark****
> >>>
> >>> ** **
> >>>
> >>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> >>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:18 PM
> >>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> >>> *Subject:* [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive****
> >>>
> >>> ** **
> >>>
> >>> Just a technical note for everyone, our boats came installed with a
> >>> radial
> >>> wheel drive, that is the circular aluminum piece mounted to the
> >>> rudder post
> >>> that the cable runs around and terminates at the tightening ubolts.   A
> >>> quadrant is an aluminum piece shaped like a piece of pie that
> >>> attaches to
> >>> the rudder post and does the same thing.
> >>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/wheel_conversion/pdfs/S-936.pdf
> >>> (link
> >>> to Edson Catalina 38 diagram) and
> >>>
> http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=287
> >>> (link
> >>> to a picture showing both) ****
> >>>
> >>>   ****
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> >>> Steve****
> >>>
> >>> #312 Peregrine****
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> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:18:59 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [C38] Autohelm parts
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> Hey all...
>
> Speaking of auto helms .... Does any one have any Autohelm ST4000 parts?
> My wheel drive actuator went up. Well, it started slipping, and then in a
> blow one of the internal roller ring posts snapped off and caused one of
> the rollers to rattle around inside the wheel ring unit...basically
> disabling my steering completely. (was fun pulling the ring and the wheel
> off to ditch the whole thing while underway!) anyway, my control head and
> power supply work just fine..., and up till about 10mins ago the actuator
> motor did too (stupid me pulled the motor off the ring only to see the
> internal gears go flying...guess I can put that back together)... but my
> wheel drive actuator is beyond repair. so I'm looking for a wheel drive
> actuator ring, either with a motor, or with out.
>
> Anyone got a box of parts laying around? Or know where I might find one?
> Do I really have to get a whole new system?
>
> Mark
> Momentous #230
>
> Oh yea btw... Found a nice canvas guy in Baltimore that just did a custom
> dodger for me, and is working on a complete bikini and connector too. Good
> price, very accommodating guy. Charm City marine Canvas. Thought I'd pass
> it along.
>
> Hey Phil Gay... A big thanks to you for sending me pics of your dodger...
> They helped me design mine. Pic attached.
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> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  I have the Type 1 (12in stroke), so as Davd pointed out,  a small
> modification might be needed to the rudder stops, in order to make it work,
> but not that big of a project.....
> > I was planning to install it directly to the radial wheel, with only a
> 8" radius instead of the 10" tiller arm, but still it should work.. I hope!
> >  This unit came with  a complete Autohelm ST6000 autopilot, but is that
> old  (around 20years), that is not NMEA compatible, and that's why I want
> to remove the wheel pitlot assembly and install it with the ST4000+
> display. Despite what RM support said, now I find it really hard to make it
> work like this, but I'll give it a try. As Tom said, the wheel pilot is
> very easy for connections and maintenance, but despite the patented
> Troncalli's shock cord solution (which BTW works great most of the time!!),
> the wheel pilot slips when the wind is blowing hard and the weatherhelm
> increases...... So the linear drive should be more reliable...
> >  I've heard great comments about the Nexus and Simrad/ Robertson, but
> because of the price, they are out of the question. If I don't make the
> linear drive work, I'll stick with the wheel pilot, or maybe I'll just
> install both autopilots, hopefully, the new 20 years old ST6000 might work
> and I'll have a very good back up.
> >
> > Have someone installed any brand of drive unit directly to the radial
> wheel??? Edson used to reccomed it, but  years ago, they changed their
> mind, started reccommending the tiller arms that they started producing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Max
> >
> > 2011/11/29 David Epstein <davidepstein at earthlink.net>
> > Max,
> >
> > Do you know if it is a Type 1 (12 in stroke) or a Type1L (16 in stroke)?
>  If it is a Type 1, my notes indicate that it rated for up to a 22,000 lb
> boat, requires a 10" tiller arm, and it has a maximum of +/-35 degrees of
> rudder travel.   The 1L is good up to 33,000 lbs, requires a 16" tiller arm
> as is also limited to +/-35 degrees.
> >
> > SuperStar's rudder has about 90 degrees of travel (+/-45), so if your
> boat has similar range, you may have to modify your stops on each side so
> that you don't have a problem when the linear drive is in bypass.  I would
> think you could be able to make the Raymarine unit work on a 38.
> >
> > When I did my research, I concluded that the absolute best solution for
> SuperStar would be the Nexus/ComNav HP-40 integrated linear drive (or the
> AP-23 with a separate pump), as it is fast, powerful and has up to +/-50
> degrees of travel with the specified tiller arm length.  I have not yet
> purchased a Nexus drive unit, so I can't tell you about any firsthand
> results...
> >
> > David Epstein
> > SuperStar, #122
> > Marina del Rey, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:23 PM 11/29/2011, you wrote:
> >> I got a new one of this for free, and according to Raymarine Support,
>  it can be installed with my ST400+ wheel pilot display.
> >>
> >> Does anyone has installed one of this below deck drives on a C38 ?? If
> so, any installation pics or recommendations will be appreciated!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Max Soto
> >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> >> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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