[C38] Blue Water tab on the website?
Don Strong
drstrong at ucdavis.edu
Tue Apr 5 10:01:45 EDT 2011
Hey: Dick and the rest of you ocean crossers. Thanks for the insight!
I've learned a lot from C38 listserve in the last few days.
Perhaps we could get a "Blue Water" tab on the website where these
stories could be collected.
regards, Don
On 4/4/11 11:36 AM, Dick Kilroy wrote:
> Guy's: As I have previously stated Dashaway has been thru Tropical
> storm conditions with winds in excess of 60 Kts (unit on board pegs
> there) and 25 ft seas, boat was fine, engine problems etc because of
> water in ignition system and thru fuel fill because of recess in fuel
> cap top.
> Had a Moorings caption ask me what the previous name of the boats was,
> as he had crossed the Atlantic in one and wondered if this was it. He
> said the owner of that Cat 38 had proceeded to the Panama Canal on to
> Australia where he passed away.
> Under our ownership Dashaway has been from Castine Me to Granada. We
> tie in the lower dropboard in the companionway to stop cockpit water
> from going below, have only the original scuppers and no problems
> except wet feet.
> We never had a problem in the ocean seas with the cockpit again,
> except wet feet. But we did in the Grenadines where there is short
> chop in big seas and big winds (45 Kts ), around island ends
> particularly, we did take 2 waves in the cockpit, lower dropboard
> secure is the right idea.
> We have done 6 Marion/Bermuda races, 5 on our Morgan 38-2, one on a
> C&C Cruising 40, have seen hurricane conditions and 40 foot seas and
> another Tropical Storm. These are 645 mile offshore races, have gone
> to the Bra d'OR Lakes in Nova-Scotia on a Little Harbor 60, raced a
> Little Harbor 50 out of Newport, R.I., sailed a friends Oyster 66.We
> think we know our boats.
> The Catalina a 38 is a tough boat which I would sail anywhere.
>
> Dick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod and Patti Headlee"
> <ja38 at earthlink.net>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] crossing oceans
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I guess no one told us not to cross an ocean in the C-38. They are a
>> bit wet at the helm seat but we were tiller steered with a monitor
>> windvane. I could steer from the forward end of the cockpit and not
>> get wet. We had JA in several gales before my wetaher forecasting got
>> better and she did us fine in 50 kt winds and 25 foot seas. One night
>> we turned into the wind and forereached under doulble reefed main and
>> the next night we let her run and surf the waves with the monitor
>> steering.
>>
>> We added a 40 gal fuel tank behind the engine so we carried 60 gal
>> diesel total, we used 26 gal charging batteries on a 26 day run to
>> Hiva Oa from Mazatlan. We had also installed an extra 18 gal water
>> tank under the starboard setee and we carried 48 gal + 18 more in
>> jerry jugs in the quarter berth. We also installed a Katadyn 40e, Air
>> X, wind gen and a 55 watt solar panel. We had a Avon 4 man life raft,
>> a Achilles dinghy and a ditch bag stuffed in the quarter berth too.
>> She was well overloaded and still sailed well. We never got stern
>> popped, we had several waves land in the mainsail pocket so we got a
>> loose footed mainsail built for her. The cockpit drains are fine for
>> offshore, a bit of wayer creeps in if you are motoring in a large
>> stern swell. We filled the T of the cockpit with jerry jugs for stove
>> fule, diesel and gas for the dinghy. The run from Boar Bora to Am
>> Samoa was 35 kts 11-15 foot seas and the C-38 loved it.
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Don Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
>>> Sent: Apr 3, 2011 4:20 AM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] crossing oceans
>>>
>>> John:
>>> a tyro is a beginner. Someone who knows only the rudiments. I'm no
>>> expert. My feeling that C38's aren't a good choice for crossing oceans
>>> is the advice of the surveyor who did my boat at purchase. The C38
>>> features that to his mind said "choose another boat if you want to
>>> cross
>>> oceans" were the lack of stern buoyancy ---part and parcel of an IOR
>>> boat--- combined with the poor cockpit drainage, combined with the huge
>>> passageway allowing water from pooping into the cockpit. The second two
>>> can be fixed. But, as I said, I'm no expert. What do others feel
>>> about this?
>>> Don
>>>
>>> On 4/2/11 7:20 PM, John Felkins wrote:
>>>> Sorry, but what's a "tyro?" Also, why don't you think the C38 is a
>>>> good passage maker?
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:00 AM, listserve-request at catalina38.org wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:28:56 -0500
>>>>> From: John Felkins<jrfelkins at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "listserve at catalina38.org"<listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>>> Subject: [C38] Different builds?
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a Cal38 admirer, not an owner (yet). I'm wondering if there
>>>>> are years of manufacture that are more desirable than others? I
>>>>> like the boat for it's pedigree, lines, size, price and the
>>>>> Pardeys recommendation. Now I'm starting to look more closely.
>>>>> Thank for any feedback!
>>>>>
>>>>> Smooth sailing,
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:38:26 +0000 (GMT)
>>>>> From: Harry Powell<harrypowell at mac.com>
>>>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>>> Cc: jrfelkins at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Different builds?
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>>>>>
>>>>> My 1984 is just about the perfect year, also for sale in San Diego
>>>>> at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kidding aside, when I was looking I looked at the systems;
>>>>> electrical for upgraded wiring and clean runs, etc. And
>>>>> electroics; original? working? Also engine especially routine
>>>>> maintenance and exhaust system. The boats are very similar from
>>>>> year to year and the later years have a few "upgrades" but are
>>>>> quite simply not as old and have seen less wear and tear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at inventory as sails are expensive. Check the engine log as
>>>>> rebuilds are expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!?
>>>>> Harry?
>>>>> Sum Fun,hull #258
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 01, 2011, at 11:28 AM, John Felkins<jrfelkins at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a Cal38 admirer, not an owner (yet). I'm wondering if there
>>>>> are years of manufacture that are more desirable than others? I
>>>>> like the boat for it's pedigree, lines, size, price and the
>>>>> Pardeys recommendation. Now I'm starting to look more closely.
>>>>> Thank for any feedback!
>>>>>
>>>>> Smooth sailing,
>>>>>
>>>>> John
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>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:44:33 -0700
>>>>> From: Don Strong<drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
>>>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Different builds?
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>>>>> Dear John:
>>>>> Discreet Charm is C38 number 50 built in 1980. We all love
>>>>> the way
>>>>> our boats sail, the large interior of C38s, and the superior
>>>>> craftsmanship. So I will tell you what I don't like about them.
>>>>> Common
>>>>> to all IOR boats is the pinched stern, which means no space aft.
>>>>> The C36
>>>>> does not have a pinched stern. I also dislike the very restricted
>>>>> space
>>>>> in the engine room. To be able to view amply and work around the
>>>>> engine
>>>>> of a sailboat is a real plus that the C38 doesn't have. Finally, the
>>>>> early boats like mine have small fuel tanks, 20 gals, and replacement
>>>>> with a larger fuel tank is a lot of work and expense.
>>>>> These are the only minuses that I have encountered in 8 years of
>>>>> ownership. I will say that if I had the choice to repurchase my
>>>>> boat I
>>>>> would. I would not buy a C36 because I think they look like pigs, and
>>>>> appearance is a big part of the hedonic pleasure one takes from a
>>>>> yacht.
>>>>> I wouldn't buy an Erickson to get the great engine access because
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't sail nearly as well as a C38. The fuel limitation can be worked
>>>>> around, it isn't a problem unless you were to want to cross oceans. I
>>>>> don't think the C38 is a great ocean crossing boat, but I'm pretty
>>>>> much
>>>>> a tyro about ocean crossing.
>>>>> I'll bet others have different opinions. I look forward to the
>>>>> other responses to your question.
>>>>> Regards, Don
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Renovation and refitting is really expensive. Buy a boat that has
>>>>> recently been renovated and refitted.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/11 11:28 AM, John Felkins wrote:
>>>>>> I'm a Cal38 admirer, not an owner (yet). I'm wondering if there
>>>>>> are years of manufacture that are more desirable than others? I
>>>>>> like the boat for it's pedigree, lines, size, price and the
>>>>>> Pardeys recommendation. Now I'm starting to look more closely.
>>>>>> Thank for any feedback!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smooth sailing,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Donald R. Strong
>>>>> C38 Discreet Charm
>>>>> Emerycove, San Francisco Bay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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