[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 335
chris nagle
nagle247 at msn.com
Mon May 16 23:31:15 EDT 2011
I second the motion; catalina 38's no stinking religion or politics
Chris Nagle RAGE #348
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:13:14 -0400
> From: Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>,
> tdtron at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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> Ditto...to the many sentiments of staying on the topic of sailing & C38's.
>
> Steve Ribble
> On May 16, 2011 9:14 PM, "tdtron at earthlink.net" <tdtron at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > I have loved this group for many years but if we don't respect the terms
> and policies of the group regarding proper submissions, we may ALL be out of
> here. This group won't survive with off topic and off subject material,
> especially those of a religious or political nature.
> >
> > Let's all try to be nice and stay on the subject of sailing, especially
> Catalina 38's.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Troncalli
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Harpole
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Sent: 5/16/2011 6:34:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> >
> >
> > I totally agree.
> > Patrick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D McC
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> >
> >
> > If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I am out of here.... Keep your
> religion and your politics to yourself !
> >
> > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> > Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods.
> > Most people have only technical training!
> >
> > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> > The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
> sailing.
> >
> > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> > When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before!
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> > To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM
> >
> >
> > How did this political statement get on a sailing site?
> > Blue eyes
> > San Francisco Bay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Strong
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> >
> >
> > Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don
> >
> > On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
> > Can we please limit political discussion on the board to only those that
> are favorable to the Republican view point?
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haynes
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> > Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman says here is the
> honest to God truth.
> > Bill
> > May 15, 2011
> > New York Times
> > America Held Hostage
> > By PAUL KRUGMAN
> > Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation. Republicans
> threatened to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless Mr. Obama
> gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the president
> essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted.
> > Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail worked well last
> December, so why not try it again? This time House Republicans say they will
> refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a step that could inflict major economic
> damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts, even as they rule
> out any tax increase whatsoever. And the question becomes what, if anything,
> will get the president to say no.
> > The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law: since Congress
> must vote to authorize spending and choose tax rates, why have a second vote
> on whether to allow the borrowing that these spending and taxation policies
> imply? In practice, however, legislators have historically been willing to
> raise the debt ceiling as necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn?t
> mattered very much ? until now.
> > What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the Republican
> Party. Normally, a party controlling neither the White House nor the Senate
> would acknowledge that it isn?t in a position to impose its agenda on the
> nation. But the modern G.O.P. doesn?t believe in following normal rules.
> > So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It has become fashionable
> on the right to assert that it would be no big deal. On Saturday the
> editorial page of The Wall Street Journal ridiculed those worried about the
> consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon lobby."
> > It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types believe what they?re
> saying, or whether they?re just staking out a bargaining position. But in
> any case, they?re almost surely wrong: seriously bad consequences will
> follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised.
> > For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be forced to stop
> paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s the share of spending
> currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop sending out Social Security
> checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that treat Medicare
> patients? Will it stop paying the contractors supplying fuel and munitions
> to our military? Or will it stop paying interest on the debt?
> > Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written before, the federal
> government is basically an insurance company with an army, so I?ve just
> described all the major components of federal spending. At least one, and
> probably several, of these components will face payment stoppages if federal
> borrowing is cut off.
> > And what would such payment stops do to the economy? Nothing good.
> Consumer spending would probably crash, as nervous seniors started wondering
> how to pay for rent and food. Businesses that depend on government purchases
> would slash payrolls and cancel investments.
> > Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if interest payments are
> missed. And the consequences of undermining faith in U.S. debt might be
> especially severe because that debt plays a crucial role in many financial
> transactions.
> > So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing. Unfortunately, it
> may be unavoidable.
> > Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the president and his allies
> operate on the principle that failure to raise the debt ceiling is an
> unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have ceded all
> power to those willing to bring that outcome about. In effect, they will
> have ripped up the Constitution and given control over America?s government
> to a party that only controls one house of Congress, but claims to be
> willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it wants.
> > Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P. isn?t nearly as
> willing to burn the house down as it claims. Business interests have made it
> clear that they?re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt ceiling.
> Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of Commerce has urged Congress
> to raise the ceiling "as expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation
> over spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans won big last
> year largely by promising to protect Medicare, then promptly voted to
> dismantle the program.
> > But the president can?t call the extortionists? bluff unless he?s willing
> to confront them, and accept the associated risks.
> > According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr. Obama has told
> Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt negotiations. Well,
> count me among those who find this strategy completely baffling. At some
> point ? and sooner rather than later ? the president has to draw a line.
> Otherwise, he might as well move out of the White House, and hand the keys
> over to the Tea Party.
> >
> >
> >
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> > --
> > Donald R. Strong
> > Professor
> > Dept. of Evolution and Ecology
> > University of California, Davis 95616
> >
> >
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> From: D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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> Thank You Anders,
> I think we needed to hear that. We all have out own beliefs and passions. Let's do our damnedest to keep our passion for our boats and sailing first and foremost in this group.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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>
> Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods.
>
> Most people have only technical training!
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>
>
> The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in sailing.
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>
>
> When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before!
>
> --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws> wrote:
>
> From: Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws>
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> To: listserve at catalina38.org
> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 4:30 PM
>
>
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>
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> Everyone,
>
>
>
> We do not censor or review all messages before they come through.
> Members who abuse this will dealt with.
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>
> Anders
>
> Webmaster
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> On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote:
>
>
>
> I totally agree.
> Patrick
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
> From:
> D McC
> To:
> Catalina 38 Listserve
> Sent:
> Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I
> am out of here.... Keep your religion and your politics to yourself !
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>
>
> Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods.
>
> Most people have only technical training!
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>
>
> The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
> sailing.
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>
>
> When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before!
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>
> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM
>
>
>
>
> How
> did this political statement get on a? sailing site?
> Blue
> eyes
> San
> Francisco Bay
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
> From:
> Don Strong
> To:
> Catalina 38
> Listserve
> Sent:
> Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
>
>
>
> Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don
>
>
>
> On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>
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> Can
> we please limit political discussion on the board to only those that
> are favorable to the Republican view point?
>
>
>
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]
> On Behalf Of Bill Haynes
>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM
>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
>
>
>
> Paul, you need to read this column
> for what Paul Krugman says here is the honest to God truth.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> May 15, 2011
> New York Times
> America Held
> Hostage
> By PAUL KRUGMAN
> Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage
> situation. Republicans threatened to block an extension of middle-class
> tax cuts unless Mr. Obama gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich
> too. And the president essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything
> it wanted.
> Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back:
> blackmail worked well last December, so why not try it again? This time
> House Republicans say they will refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a
> step that could inflict major economic damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees
> to large spending cuts, even as they rule out any tax increase
> whatsoever. And the question becomes what, if anything, will get the
> president to say no.
> The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S.
> law: since Congress must vote to authorize spending and choose tax
> rates, why have a second vote on whether to allow the borrowing that
> these spending and taxation policies imply? In practice, however,
> legislators have historically been willing to raise the debt ceiling as
> necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn?t mattered very much ?
> until now.
> What has changed? The answer is the radicalization
> of the Republican Party. Normally, a party controlling neither the
> White House nor the Senate would acknowledge that it isn?t in a
> position to impose its agenda on the nation. But the modern G.O.P.
> doesn?t believe in following normal rules.
> So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It
> has become fashionable on the right to assert that it would be no big
> deal. On Saturday the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal
> ridiculed those worried about the consequences of hitting the ceiling
> as the "Armageddon lobby."
> It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?"
> types believe what they?re saying, or whether they?re just staking out
> a bargaining position. But in any case, they?re almost surely wrong:
> seriously bad consequences will follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised.
> For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will
> be forced to stop paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s
> the share of spending currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop
> sending out Social Security checks? Will it stop paying doctors and
> hospitals that treat Medicare patients? Will it stop paying the
> contractors supplying fuel and munitions to our military? Or will it
> stop paying interest on the debt?
> Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written
> before, the federal government is basically an insurance company with
> an army, so I?ve just described all the major components of federal
> spending. At least one, and probably several, of these components will
> face payment stoppages if federal borrowing is cut off.
> And what would such payment stops do to the economy?
> Nothing good. Consumer spending would probably crash, as nervous
> seniors started wondering how to pay for rent and food. Businesses that
> depend on government purchases would slash payrolls and cancel
> investments.
> Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if
> interest payments are missed. And the consequences of undermining faith
> in U.S. debt might be especially severe because that debt plays a
> crucial role in many financial transactions.
> So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad
> thing. Unfortunately, it may be unavoidable.
> Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the
> president and his allies operate on the principle that failure to raise
> the debt ceiling is an unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost,
> then they have ceded all power to those willing to bring that outcome
> about. In effect, they will have ripped up the Constitution and given
> control over America?s government to a party that only controls one
> house of Congress, but claims to be willing to bring down the economy
> unless it gets what it wants.
> Now, there are good reasons to believe that the
> G.O.P. isn?t nearly as willing to burn the house down as it claims.
> Business interests have made it clear that they?re horrified at the
> prospect of hitting the debt ceiling. Even the virulently anti-Obama
> U.S. Chamber of Commerce has urged Congress to raise the ceiling "as
> expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation over spending would
> only highlight the fact that Republicans won big last year largely by
> promising to protect Medicare, then promptly voted to dismantle the
> program.
> But the president can?t call the extortionists?
> bluff unless he?s willing to confront them, and accept the associated
> risks.
> According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader,
> Mr. Obama has told Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt
> negotiations. Well, count me among those who find this strategy
> completely baffling. At some point ? and sooner rather than later ? the
> president has to draw a line. Otherwise, he might as well move out of
> the White House, and hand the keys over to the Tea Party.
>
>
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> --
> Donald R. Strong
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> Dept. of Evolution and Ecology
> University of California, Davis 95616
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