[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 333(oregon Offshore) Alden Andre

Tue May 17 13:28:29 EDT 2011

Mines Shinier

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Alden Andre

She's all polished up and ready to go.  LOL

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Finn
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 333(oregon Offshore)
Alden Andre

Steve,
Great run!  Larry better be polishing his hull!
Chuck
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes

On 5/17/2011 1:23 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote: 

Thanks Alden, It was the one in seven year downwind start and with 20
knots at the get go it and all through the night it was fun.  We entered
the straits a few hours ahead of California Girl which in itself would
have made the trip a great success.  They managed sneaking by us somehow
during the day I still cant figure out when they got past us, but no
shame there Timm and Victoria are amazing sailors as you know.  We made
a very good tactical decision not to go through race rocks in the dark
and chase the boats ahead of us instead rounding the outer buoy( I'd
like to say we did it for tactical reasons cuz we are so smart, but the
truth is with the boat in Transpac shape I didnt want to risk grounding
on the rocks and damaging the boat this close to leaving for LA), we
were doing 8 knots through the water on top of a 3 knot current push and
when we jibed to a reach in 15 knots, we just blew by all the boats that
went through the passage that were then stu
ck in the toilet bowl outside Victoria Harbor.   We had to tack several
times in a non existant breeze to avoid two cruise ships that were
leaving as we were trying to get over the finish line that ended up
costing us about 20 minutes, but we still managed to beat Velocity (J42)
on corrected time by less than a minute.   We hit the dock drank our
champagne then at 3:00 AM started the 15 hour trip home, kind of a
bummer to miss the awards party, but there are only 19 days left for us
to get the  boat ready before heading south.   

 Poor Gerry and Ryan how much would that suck to have a whale land on
your boat?! I still cant believe it, they were behind us by 1/4 mile
when it happened, So glad that no one was injured.

Steve
#312 Peregrine 
Seattle

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Alden Andre

Steve i think a congrats is in order for you winning your division in
the Oregon Offshore this year. I heard it was a down wind run up to the
straits. Good thing you didnt get breached by a whale like Laorca did.
They were lucky it didnt land in the cockpit but up on the mast. Keep
winning i am putting my money on you for the TransPac. . Sorry i didnt
do the Oregon offshore this year out of town on buisness but plan on
doing it next year.

Alden Andre

S/V FLYBYE C-38

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Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:43:40 -0400
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just blow it off!

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws>
<mailto:anders at finn.ws>  wrote:

	 Everyone,

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	Anders
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	On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote:

	I totally agree.
	Patrick

	----- Original Message -----
	*From:* D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com> <mailto:cat38skip at yahoo.com>

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	*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM
	*Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage

	  If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I am out of here.... Keep
your
	religion and your politics to yourself !

	<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 

	Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods.
	Most people have only technical training!

	<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 

	The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours
spent in
	sailing.

	<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 

	When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before!

	--- On *Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
<mailto:1derful at comcast.net> <1derful at comcast.net>
<mailto:1derful at comcast.net> 
	* wrote:

	From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
<mailto:1derful at comcast.net>  <1derful at comcast.net>
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	Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
	To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
<mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> <listserve at catalina38.org>
<mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> 
	Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM

	 *How did this political statement get on a  sailing site?*
	*Blue eyes*
	*San Francisco Bay*

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	*From:* Don Strong <http://mc/compose?to=drstrong@ucdavis.edu>
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	*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM
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	 Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don

	On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:

	 Can we please limit political discussion on the board to only
those that
	are favorable to the Republican view point?

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	*On Behalf Of *Bill Haynes
	*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM
	*To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
	*Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage

	Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman says
here is the
	honest to God truth.

	Bill

	May 15, 2011

	New York Times

	*America Held Hostage*

	By PAUL KRUGMAN

	Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation.
Republicans
	threatened to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless
Mr. Obama
	gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the
president
	essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted.

	Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail worked
well last
	December, so why not try it again? This time House Republicans
say they will
	refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a step that could inflict
major economic
	damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts, even as
they rule
	out any tax increase whatsoever. And the question becomes what,
if anything,
	will get the president to say no.

	The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law: since
Congress
	must vote to authorize spending and choose tax rates, why have a
second vote
	on whether to allow the borrowing that these spending and
taxation policies
	imply? In practice, however, legislators have historically been
willing to
	raise the debt ceiling as necessary, so this quirk in our system
hasn?t
	mattered very much ? until now.

	What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the
Republican Party.
	Normally, a party controlling neither the White House nor the
Senate would
	acknowledge that it isn?t in a position to impose its agenda on
the nation.
	But the modern G.O.P. doesn?t believe in following normal rules.

	So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It has become
fashionable
	on the right to assert that it would be no big deal. On Saturday
the
	editorial page of The Wall Street Journal ridiculed those
worried about the
	consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon lobby."

	It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types believe
what they?re
	saying, or whether they?re just staking out a bargaining
position. But in
	any case, they?re almost surely wrong: seriously bad
consequences will
	follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised.

	For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be forced to
stop
	paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s the share of
spending
	currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop sending out
Social Security
	checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that treat
Medicare
	patients? Will it stop paying the contractors supplying fuel and
munitions
	to our military? Or will it stop paying interest on the debt?

	Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written before, the
federal
	government is basically an insurance company with an army, so
I?ve just
	described all the major components of federal spending. At least
one, and
	probably several, of these components will face payment
stoppages if federal
	borrowing is cut off.

	And what would such payment stops do to the economy? Nothing
good. Consumer
	spending would probably crash, as nervous seniors started
wondering how to
	pay for rent and food. Businesses that depend on government
purchases would
	slash payrolls and cancel investments.

	Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if interest
payments are
	missed. And the consequences of undermining faith in U.S. debt
might be
	especially severe because that debt plays a crucial role in many
financial
	transactions.

	So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing.
Unfortunately, it
	may be unavoidable.

	Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the president and
his allies
	operate on the principle that failure to raise the debt ceiling
is an
	unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have
ceded all
	power to those willing to bring that outcome about. In effect,
they will
	have ripped up the Constitution and given control over America?s
government
	to a party that only controls one house of Congress, but claims
to be
	willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it wants.

	Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P. isn?t
nearly as
	willing to burn the house down as it claims. Business interests
have made it
	clear that they?re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt
ceiling.
	Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of Commerce has
urged Congress
	to raise the ceiling "as expeditiously as possible." And a
confrontation
	over spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans won
big last
	year largely by promising to protect Medicare, then promptly
voted to
	dismantle the program.

	But the president can?t call the extortionists? bluff unless
he?s willing
	to confront them, and accept the associated risks.

	According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr. Obama
has told
	Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt
negotiations. Well,
	count me among those who find this strategy completely baffling.
At some
	point ? and sooner rather than later ? the president has to draw
a line.
	Otherwise, he might as well move out of the White House, and
hand the keys
	over to the Tea Party.
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