[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 333(oregon Offshore) Alden Andre

Tue May 17 14:55:35 EDT 2011

Our Class, Aloha, starts on July 4th, I think I'll try to get a Coast Guard
OK to set off some flares that evening, have a few outdated ones on board.
Steve may or may not start, all depends on how his new prop does.

Best regards,

Larry Malmberg
Team Hassle

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Andre

when does the transpac starts??? 
Max

2011/5/17 Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>

Mines Shinier

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Andre

She's all polished up and ready to go.  LOL

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Andre

Steve,
Great run!  Larry better be polishing his hull!
Chuck
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes

On 5/17/2011 1:23 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote: 

Thanks Alden, It was the one in seven year downwind start and with 20 knots
at the get go it and all through the night it was fun.  We entered the
straits a few hours ahead of California Girl which in itself would have made
the trip a great success.  They managed sneaking by us somehow during the
day I still cant figure out when they got past us, but no shame there Timm
and Victoria are amazing sailors as you know.  We made a very good tactical
decision not to go through race rocks in the dark and chase the boats ahead
of us instead rounding the outer buoy( I'd like to say we did it for
tactical reasons cuz we are so smart, but the truth is with the boat in
Transpac shape I didnt want to risk grounding on the rocks and damaging the
boat this close to leaving for LA), we were doing 8 knots through the water
on top of a 3 knot current push and when we jibed to a reach in 15 knots, we
just blew by all the boats that went through the passage that were then stu
ck in the toilet bowl outside Victoria Harbor.   We had to tack several
times in a non existant breeze to avoid two cruise ships that were leaving
as we were trying to get over the finish line that ended up costing us about
20 minutes, but we still managed to beat Velocity (J42) on corrected time by
less than a minute.   We hit the dock drank our champagne then at 3:00 AM
started the 15 hour trip home, kind of a bummer to miss the awards party,
but there are only 19 days left for us to get the  boat ready before heading
south.   

 Poor Gerry and Ryan how much would that suck to have a whale land on your
boat?! I still cant believe it, they were behind us by 1/4 mile when it
happened, So glad that no one was injured.

Steve
#312 Peregrine 
Seattle

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Andre

Steve i think a congrats is in order for you winning your division in the
Oregon Offshore this year. I heard it was a down wind run up to the straits.
Good thing you didnt get breached by a whale like Laorca did. They were
lucky it didnt land in the cockpit but up on the mast. Keep winning i am
putting my money on you for the TransPac. . Sorry i didnt do the Oregon
offshore this year out of town on buisness but plan on doing it next year.

Alden Andre

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On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote:

I totally agree.
Patrick

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  If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I am out of here.... Keep your
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Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM

 *How did this political statement get on a  sailing site?*
*Blue eyes*
*San Francisco Bay*

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 Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don

On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:

 Can we please limit political discussion on the board to only those that
are favorable to the Republican view point?

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Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman says here is the
honest to God truth.

Bill

May 15, 2011

New York Times

*America Held Hostage*

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation. Republicans
threatened to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless Mr. Obama
gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the president
essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted.

Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail worked well last
December, so why not try it again? This time House Republicans say they will
refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a step that could inflict major economic
damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts, even as they rule
out any tax increase whatsoever. And the question becomes what, if anything,
will get the president to say no.

The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law: since Congress
must vote to authorize spending and choose tax rates, why have a second vote
on whether to allow the borrowing that these spending and taxation policies
imply? In practice, however, legislators have historically been willing to
raise the debt ceiling as necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn?t
mattered very much ? until now.

What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the Republican Party.
Normally, a party controlling neither the White House nor the Senate would
acknowledge that it isn?t in a position to impose its agenda on the nation.
But the modern G.O.P. doesn?t believe in following normal rules.

So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It has become fashionable
on the right to assert that it would be no big deal. On Saturday the
editorial page of The Wall Street Journal ridiculed those worried about the
consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon lobby."

It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types believe what they?re
saying, or whether they?re just staking out a bargaining position. But in
any case, they?re almost surely wrong: seriously bad consequences will
follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised.

For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be forced to stop
paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s the share of spending
currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop sending out Social Security
checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that treat Medicare
patients? Will it stop paying the contractors supplying fuel and munitions
to our military? Or will it stop paying interest on the debt?

Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written before, the federal
government is basically an insurance company with an army, so I?ve just
described all the major components of federal spending. At least one, and
probably several, of these components will face payment stoppages if federal
borrowing is cut off.

And what would such payment stops do to the economy? Nothing good. Consumer
spending would probably crash, as nervous seniors started wondering how to
pay for rent and food. Businesses that depend on government purchases would
slash payrolls and cancel investments.

Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if interest payments are
missed. And the consequences of undermining faith in U.S. debt might be
especially severe because that debt plays a crucial role in many financial
transactions.

So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing. Unfortunately, it
may be unavoidable.

Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the president and his allies
operate on the principle that failure to raise the debt ceiling is an
unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have ceded all
power to those willing to bring that outcome about. In effect, they will
have ripped up the Constitution and given control over America?s government
to a party that only controls one house of Congress, but claims to be
willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it wants.

Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P. isn?t nearly as
willing to burn the house down as it claims. Business interests have made it
clear that they?re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt ceiling.
Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of Commerce has urged Congress
to raise the ceiling "as expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation
over spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans won big last
year largely by promising to protect Medicare, then promptly voted to
dismantle the program.

But the president can?t call the extortionists? bluff unless he?s willing
to confront them, and accept the associated risks.

According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr. Obama has told
Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt negotiations. Well,
count me among those who find this strategy completely baffling. At some
point ? and sooner rather than later ? the president has to draw a line.
Otherwise, he might as well move out of the White House, and hand the keys
over to the Tea Party.
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