[C38] Lockers and Batteries

Thu May 19 13:28:30 EDT 2011

Hi Guys,

Legacy has the watermaker installed in the bow over the water tank.  It uses
the thru-hull that's near the depth transducer.  There's been a problem with
this arrangement and I'm considering changing it when I put in a new
watermaker.  Under sail, in moderate or rough conditions, waves force air
under the bow and with the watermaker running, its sucked into the intake.
 With my PUR40, this air stops all fresh water production.  I get no
indication until hours later when I find that there's no additional water in
the tank (lots of amp hours down the drain).  I don't know if other
watermakers are more tolerant of air.

We had to put a per-pump in with a loop similar to an anti-siphon loop but
with a small hole at the top to vent the air (and leak a little water).
 This was not a good arrangement.  If the hole was small enough that it
didn't leak much water, it would plug up easily with drying salt.  Also, the
pre-pump used additional power.

I'm considering moving the watermaker to the cabinet under the galley sink
but we sleep on the permanently lowered dinette and I don't really want the
watermaker noise that close to the off watch person who's trying to sleep.
 I may just run the inlet line to a thru-hull further aft.  I guess I'll
wait to see what the watermaker people recommend when I buy a new one.

Rich, Legacy, #360, San Diego

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I bought Estancia the PO had installed a thru hull for the water maker
> under the starboard side settee, that's were he was planning to install the
> water maker..... I'm using that one for the air conditioning intake...
>
> Hope this helps, Max
>
>
> 2011/5/19 Larry Malmberg <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>
>>  OH BTW Steve, we had a thru hull installed in 09 for a water maker but
>> ran out of boat bucks for the maker.  It's installed forward near the depth
>> sounder.
>>
>>
>> Larry
>> Team Hassle
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:08 AM
>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Lockers and Batteries
>>
>> please let us know how those tank monitor works for you!
>>
>> 2011/5/19 Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>>
>>>  Larry,  what type of water maker did you go with? And where are you
>>> locating your through hulls?   We stole the one from the bow for  intake and
>>> Im still working on  what  Im going to do for discharge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry Malmberg
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:42 AM
>>> *To:* 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
>>> *Subject:* [C38] Lockers and Batteries
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill, during the rehab on Hassle all of this was done by the
>>> mechanic/electrician, we had extensive work done including Pro Sine
>>> charger/inverter which now will power all our AC outlets when shore power is
>>> off, nice thing about this is, if there is no load the inverter shuts it's
>>> self off so there is no draw at all.  New AC/DC panel, house batteries,
>>> four, relocated, new engine panel that actually works but doesn't have and
>>> oil pressure gauge which we are installing, I hate buzzers. Sat phone wired
>>> into a docking station, new Nexus instruments which are awesome.  Garmin HD
>>> Radar which integrates with our chart plotter an all the instruments
>>> integrate as well and of course all are tied into a laptop with Nexus Racing
>>> Software.  We are installing a water maker next week, new mainsail and jib
>>> not to mention the SSB and all the accruements for it.  LOL  Just more boat
>>> bucks in action here.  LOL  Ooops I forgot the Blue Seas tank monitors too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Larry Malmberg
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>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *William Knowles
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:32 AM
>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Mysterious stuffing box behavior
>>>
>>> I have the same locker also. I have a little door from behind the ice
>>> chest for trash. How hard is it to put the starter battery there? Did you
>>> wire it through the main panel?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I have exactly the same locker as Hassle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/5/19 Larry Malmberg <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>>>
>>> I'm confused too Max.  Our port locker in the cockpit (sail locker?) is
>>> open all the way to the hull except for a step where the start battery is
>>> located, the step has a shelf for storage where we keep extra oil and
>>> coolant, there is a large access to the engine compartment there as well,
>>> kind of T shaped.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Malmberg
>>>
>>> Team Hassle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:52 AM
>>> *To:* tdtron at earthlink.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Mysterious stuffing box behavior
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know if it is just me, but this locker is totally different than
>>> mine... I remember seeing this pics years ago, but still today , I can't
>>> figure it out, and my only explanation is that the modification was very big
>>> and I didn't get that, or that  (this is getting common!) there are two
>>> different kind of lockers. Mine goes all the way to the hull, and has a
>>> liner with no  anti skid pattern..
>>>
>>> How about other boats??????
>>>
>>> I need to install a generator behind the engine, so the room I can make
>>> for myself, the better!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> 2011/6/18 tdtron at earthlink.net <tdtron at earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While mentioning the sail locker cutout, you reminded me that I came
>>> across a couple of old photos of my locker cutout which I have attached.
>>> The holes on the engine side of the locker were left over from the previous
>>> owner's hot water heater which I moved to the engine aft of the
>>> transmission.  That location was not possible before the sail locker
>>> modification.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cutout is supported by angle aluminum bolted with countersunk #10
>>> stainless bolts and nylock nuts.  The four screw heads in the first photo
>>> are holding my pressure water pump up side down between the hull and sail
>>> locker bottom.  We found that location to be a very quiet place for the pump
>>> and after the sail locker cutout modification, that location also became
>>> easy to service, another previously wasted unaccessible area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the sail locker cutout, I did add a vertical brace between the forward
>>> inside corner of the cutout and the hull.  I bedded a piece of pressure
>>> treated wood to the hull and made a support of aluminum angle connected to
>>> the perimeter aluminum angle which made the floor of the sail locker very
>>> stiff and strong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of all of the modifications I made to my 38, I think this was the most
>>> practical and best.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
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>>> *Sent:* 5/18/2011 12:40:01 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Mysterious stuffing box behavior
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marci, We bought our boat in Rhode Island and last year did the opposite
>>> trip you are doing. We brought it to the Chesapeake Bay. We Had a situation
>>> that may be close to yours.
>>>
>>> We had 5 total crew and was motor sailing hard in Long Island Sound to
>>> try to get to the East River to catch the tide right. We heard water
>>> splashing around and the quarter berth was getting wet (we have an opening
>>> there to get to the back of the engine, not sure all Catalina's have it).
>>> There was a lot of water under the engine and the spinning shaft was
>>> splashing it around. When the shaft wasn't spinning there was no splashing.
>>>
>>> Before starting our adventure I got a lot of information from the C38
>>> website, most importantly the leaking stuffing box on the rudder post. Below
>>> the front of the engine there is a drain hole that allows water to drain
>>> from under the engine to the bilge. Ours was clogged up and allowed the
>>> build up of water under the engine and the shaft to splash it around. When
>>> running hard and even sailing fast the rudder post will let in a lot of
>>> water because the stern is squatted down.
>>>
>>> Check under the front of the engine and make sure that hole is clear. I
>>> think you will find that to be your problem as well as a rudder post leak.
>>>
>>> I still have to fix mine. I'm going to cut out the sail locker bottom as
>>> suggested on the C38 website to gain access to the rudder post.
>>>
>>> Dan #108
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:35:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Mysterious stuffing box behavior
>>>
>>> Marci,
>>>
>>>  I guess that the shaft was spinning while sailing with the transmission
>>> in neutral. I'll check the packing gland and also check for movement of the
>>> stuffing box while running with the engine, it should denote problems like
>>> the ones you just mentioned...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>>
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/5/18 Marci Brown <mb at seafor.us>
>>>
>>> A troubling stuffing box situation began last week (and continues): We
>>> ran the engine reasonably hard for about 4 hours when doing the NYC East
>>> River trek to Long Island Sound. I was in the galley when Keith raised the
>>> sails and cut the engine (leaving transmission in neutral). Immediately I
>>> heard water pouring into the boat from the stuffing box area. I shouted for
>>> Keith to throw the transmission into reverse. No more water! Whew! Water
>>> quickly exited the boat via bilge pump - with the exception of 10 gallons
>>> sitting under the engine that I had to pump out by hand. Diagnostic
>>> guesstimate #1: New zincs on the prop shaft causing wobble that is stressing
>>> the 2-year old flax packing gland... right? The cutlass bearing is fine.
>>> Other thoughts: Folding prop has inherent balance issues,
>>> engine/transmission/prop shaft alignment fine tuning necessary, packing
>>> glands wear out quickly under stress?? Would anyone like to tackle this one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Marci J. Brown*
>>>
>>> PO Box 520549, Winthrop, MA 02152 USA
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>>> *Ph:* 757-515-3151 | *Email:* mb at seafor.us
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