[C38] Overheat False Alarm

Mon Jun 6 08:55:49 EDT 2011

This morning I googled [two way pressure cap] and saw that that's what I
have, which brought me back to square one, so thanks very much for the
below!

I haven't given our engine much thought because we rarely use it, and
usually only for a few minutes at a time. But now that I'm taking people
out for money, "hang on folks, I'll have this fixed in a few minutes"
isn't going to cut it.

Saturday's trip was booked solid, but the wind was SE 15-25. We gave it a
try, but it was cold and wet. Back to the dock and refunds all around.

Yesterday was just two people. Light winds and warm until the sun got low.
My daughter brought up some blankets to our passengers who were snuggled
up together on the bow. One of them was from Colorado and had never even
seen birds diving on bait.

http://on.fb.me/k2a6jR

> David,
> Unfortunately, I don't think you have gotten rid of your bubble.   The
> flow you observe with the cap off is kind of working as your pump is
> circulating water, but it is more of an agitation rather than real flow.
> Both Tom and Larry give you perhaps the two answers that routinely
> work.  Look to the forward, port side, bottom of your engine for the
> drain fitting.  You should notice if you trace it back that this
> location leads back to the heat exchanger and your hot water heater
> (that is where this bubble resides).  When you fill from the bottom, you
> fill the system in the opposite direction of the water pump flow and
> this forces the bubble out and up.  Remember your thermostat has only a
> small "flow hole" and it can take time  (I usually take the thermostat
> out while doing this).
> I can't tell you how much time and angst I went through to learn this!
> The damn bubble can move around so that sometimes it is distributed
> enough to allow some flow, which makes you think some magic has happened
> and your temp looks great.  And the next time it is concentrated and
> allows no flow!  And I can tell you without qualification that the
> bubble is a very close cousin to that guy Murphy which means things go
> wrong at the worst time!
>
> Any time you are working on the cooling side of your engine (pump
> impeller, heat exchanger, coolant change, etc.), you should refill
> through the lower fitting.  Adding antifreeze like Tom describes along
> with the expansion modification is also a must as running just water in
> our engines should only be done in emergencies.
> One alternative I now use is I bought one of those inexpensive pumps
> that fit on the end of a drill.  This allows me to pump my antifreeze in
> through the bottom of the engine and I no longer have to drain down the
> system to add it.
>
> I hope this doesn't come across as complicated because it really is
> not.  The trick is installing a hose fitting to your drain valve.
>
> What I think is most frustrating is that the Westerbeke/Universal folks
> must know all about this problem, but do not comment on it!  Old time
> marine engine mechanics know all about it, but most of the ones we run
> into at shipyards are young...
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
> Still not in the water because of flooding
> Great Lakes
>
> On 6/5/2011 3:46 PM, david at dlrfilms.com wrote:
>> This might be the solution right here!
>>
>> I have a coolant recovery tank, but I don't see how the pressure cap
>> would
>> allow coolant to flow to it unless it was subject to high pressure; the
>> seal is spring loaded and takes quite a bit of force to move.
>>
>> Furthermore, ran the engine with the coolant level down/cap off and it
>> ran
>> just fine for 30 minute. I could see the coolant circulating vigorously.
>>
>> But when I put the cap on I the temp rose and we were back to square
>> one.
>> As this was happening I was wondering whether or not caps were univeral.
>>
>> Will take mine to an autopart store and compare to a two-way.
>>
>> I love sailing. I hate motors.
>>
>>
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> I failed to mention replacing the pressure cap if anyone does install
>>> the
>>> coolant recovery tank as I described in my last post.  You will have to
>>> replace the original pressure cap with a modern 2-way cap made for
>>> recovery tanks.  Our original caps were one way only and will not allow
>>> the expansion tanks to operate.  Any automotive parts store should be
>>> able
>>> to match up your old cap with a new 2-way cap.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Richard West
>>> To: Larrypi at roadrunner.com;Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Sent: 6/5/2011 11:47:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Overheat False Alarm
>>>
>>>
>>> Mine used to get air in the hoses to of from the water heater.  For
>>> some
>>> reason I don't really understand, this stopped the coolant from
>>> circulating in the engine.  It happened any time I had to disconnect
>>> those
>>> heater hoses for any reason.  The only solution I found was detaching
>>> one
>>> of the heater hoses and use a turkey baster to force coolant through
>>> the
>>> heater circuit.
>>>
>>>
>>> RIch, Legacy, #360
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Larry Malmberg<Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a small plug near the water pump that you can
>>> remove,
>>> add
>>> coolant until it comes out, replace the plug, run the engine for a
>>> couple
>>> of
>>> moments, remove the plug again and air will come out, keep doing until
>>> you
>>> have no more air.  This is just from memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
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>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
>>> david at dlrfilms.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:17 AM
>>> To: listserve at catalina38.org
>>> Subject: [C38] Overheat False Alarm
>>>
>>>
>>> My engine is back to doing that thing where the temp gauge climbs, the
>>> alarm
>>> goes off, but the engine itself is not even too hot to touch, and I can
>>> stick my finger in the coolant without getting scalded.
>>>
>>> This problem plagued our 2008 and 2009 Summer sailing, but wasn't too
>>> big
>>> a
>>> concern because we never ran the engine for more than about 5-10
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>> Thought I had it licked before our passage to the Caribbean in Nov
>>> 2009,
>>> and
>>> indeed, ran the motor for hours on end with no such problem.
>>>
>>> But now it's back, and with the wind out of the SE, that means getting
>>> back
>>> into the harbor is a long enough run to get the overheat false alarm.
>>>
>>> IIRC, cracking the thermostat housing open would (usually) solve the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> The other thing I notice is that coolent is not following through the
>>> overflow tube to the reserve tank. It's not blocked; it seems like
>>> there's
>>> a
>>> air bubble that's keeping the coolant from flowing.
>>>
>>> I remember something about running the engine, and then adding more
>>> coolant
>>> after it burps or some such. I have my manual and will re-read.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, any helpful hints are much appreciated.
>>>
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