[C38] Rudder replacement and bearings.
Max Soto
maxsoto at gmail.com
Thu Sep 8 14:59:34 EDT 2011
Rudder research update,
Here are some pics of the damage on the rudder shaft. It is located right on
the rudder seal packing gland, so the only way to inspect it, is to drop
the rudder, and getting the quadrant wheel out was the most painful job
that I have done on Estancia. Will post a different thread later...
I have lots of quotes, and is funny how the the rudder and shipping prices
change from one manufacturer to another...
Here are some facts:
Shipping prices are between $50 and $400
Rudders prices are between $1800 and $3500
The cheapest and the more expensive have the modern design elliptical
design.
The average rudder price is $2750, but with the older rudder design.
All the rudders are fiberglass with a foam core, but there is one
manufacturer that is thinking outside the box, and they are making the
rudders out of high density polyethylene. Very innovative, since
it doesn't absorb water, and is lifetime warrantied.
They are making them on two halves, bolted together but not glued, so there
is no lack of oxygen to affect the stainless shaft.
The halves are carved by some kind of CNC machine, so the can make any
rudder design... The price for our boats is between $2900 and $3000.. The
only difference is that the rudder is a few pound heavier than the original
rudder, but if the original has some water inside, is going to be a lot
heavier!! http://www.idasailor.com/
I was planning to replace just the shaft, but the 2.5" 80 gauge 316
stainless pipe is impossible to get here, so, on second thoughts, I might go
for the 1800 elliptical rudder..
Chuck and Anders, Here's a couple of drawings that Kent Nelson sent me, so
if possible, I think that we should put them with the other tech drawings
that we have on the web.
Regards,
Max
2011/9/1 Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
> Max,
>
> I paid $2500 but they reused my post and we did the final painting and
> burnishing, the $3500 price should include a new carbon fiber post complete
> with bottom paint.
>
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>
>
> Hey Steve, how much did they charged for your rudder?? I was looking at
> their web page and they have the C38 rudder with your desogn for $3500...
> that's a lot!!!
>
> If I'm not mistaken, someone replaced the post from his rudder, but don't
> remember who did it and I wasn't able to find it on the archives....
> I'm sure I can do that, but I still have to get the post. Catalina do have
> them. When I was at the factory in CA, the engineer showed me the C38 post
> with no blade, but I don't know if they will assemble it and sell it as a
> complete rudder...
> MAx
>
>
> 2011/9/1 Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>
>
> Max,
>
> Not sure about the rudder bearing, we installed a new rudder this
> last
> April, we wrapped a wrap of mylar around the post and I was
> surprised
> how much of the slop it ended taking out. Our posts at least mine
> was
> a two part design, tube welded inside a tube then the webbing welded
> to
> the tube. Our post was also pouruous and corroded around the
> entry
> point into the rudder but the post was actually able to be reused
> in
> the new rudder, we did not have water inside the old rudder
> however.
> If you are replacing the rudder, I know you can get a stock one
> from
> Catalina, they also may be able to take the higher aspect rudder of
> the
> I think the 36 and modify it to fit, or there is Phils foils who did
> our
> new one or CSI and Foss Foam who did Larrys rudder. Our blog has
> a
> pic of our rudder. Good luck.
>
> Steve
>
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> Subject: [C38] Rudder replacement and bearings.
>
>
> I just pulled out the rudder and it doesn't look any good... The
> shaft
> looks heavily corroded with lots of pores and the blade is saturated
> with water. Of course, I have to noticed this while doing a huge
> and
> expensive blister job and engine swap... I might used like thi for a
> few
> months until I get a replacement. Maybe, I just open it, let it dry
> and
> replace the shaft. Going to check my options.
> In the mean time, I found thi on Catalina direct.
>
>
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&produ
> ct_ID=2385&ParentCat=343 <
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=2385&ParentCat=343>
>
> This link shows the rudder bearings for newer Catalina models.
> Could
> those be installed on a c38??? With some modifications, I think that
> the
> upper bearing with the self center bearing will get rid of the play
> on
> the rudder shaft. At least most of it.
>
> Any thoughts??
> Max
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