[C38] FW: How to approach an argument with a sailor

[Larry Malmberg]

Another thought on the issue.  Please see below.
 





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From: Harry Powell [mailto:harrypowell at mac.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:06 AM
To: Larry Malmberg
Subject: Fwd: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor


Larry:

I do not think my email went through to Anders and  I cannot post on the
list serve; could you forward this to him or, if you like, post on the
listserve?

Thanks!
Harry

 

 



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From: Harry Powell <harrypowell at mac.com>
Date: September 13, 2011 10:58:53 AM
To: From:Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws>
Subject: Re: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor


Anders:

I'm a C38 owner (hull #258 presently for sale in San Diego), a Hollaman 55
owner, and race a lot on other people's boats including an Etchells, a J120,
a TP52 and, yes, a SC 37. I did Transpac on the SC37 Celerity. I believe the
SC37 in SF is Tiberon.

The SC 37s are all carbon, weigh in at just over 8,000 and will move right
along in the proper conditions and properly sailed. We hit 20s in numerous
occasions at 135 degrees to a 20+ kt breeze on the way to HA this summer We
would have done that much more consistently had the boat been lighter and
the water been a little flatter. 

The SC37 is light enough to plane with regularity. The difficulty with the
conversation is the definition of "sustained" as we heard Tiberon had
sustained 20 + repeatedly in the coastal cup (on her way to Long Beach from
SF earlier this summer). So when is a plane just a plane and a surge in
speed and when can it be called a "sustained" speed??? And then, what really
counts, what is time around the course; in other words what is the average
speed???

Anyway, your friend could easily be correct that a SC37 could hit 26 kts in
ideal conditions (reaching, good breeze, good sea conditions, light boat,
AND SOME EXPERIENCED DRIVER /  TRIMMERS. But probably not for very long.
That speed on a 37 foot boat feels like forever, is not for the faint of
heart, and you have very small increments of time to make decisions and
react. I'd have to say those moments feel more like multi hull sailing or
even approaching iceboat stuff than what the average C38 sailer sees on a
day to day basis.

Hope that helps.   
Harry

 

 



On Sep 13, 2011, at 09:31 AM, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws> wrote:



Advice seeking time.

So, I've got a friend who sails on a VERY fast boat. A very winning 
boat. Probably one of the fastest in San Francisco. It's crewed by a 
bunch of amazing sailors including some Cup guys. However, she's not 
really a sailor and I've had to explain things like what a knot is vs 
mph. The boat is a Santa Cruz 37 rates in a 27PHRF. Now, she claims and 
has some text messages from other crew saying they've hit 26knots in the 
bay. I call BS. I pull out all my math on hull speed, plain force 
calculations on what it would take to make that boat go into full plane. 
I've tried showing what PHRF means and that a 27 means they only average 
1/2 knot faster than the J/105's. I've tried pulling out their race 
times and showing they're only averaging about 6-7knots during races. . 
This does not matter.

Probably most of us have seen exceedences in hull speed for our boats 
going down waves and whatnot. However, that's not the claim. The claim 
is they REGULARLY go 16-20 knots in bay races. This is 2x or more their 
hull speed. .

Thoughts on how to explain this or anyone have experience with a SC37?

Anders

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