[C38] FW: How to approach an argument with a sailor

Anders Finn anders at finn.ws
Tue Sep 13 14:42:13 EDT 2011


Thanks to Harry for some insight there. . . I think I'm going to have to 
hop on the 37 and see what it's like.

Anders

On 09/13/2011 11:35 AM, Larry Malmberg wrote:
> Another thought on the issue.  Please see below.
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> *From:* Harry Powell [mailto:harrypowell at mac.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:06 AM
> *To:* Larry Malmberg
> *Subject:* Fwd: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor
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> Larry:
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> I do not think my email went through to Anders and  I cannot post on 
> the list serve; could you forward this to him or, if you like, post on 
> the listserve?
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> Thanks!
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> *From: *Harry Powell <harrypowell at mac.com>
>> *Date: *September 13, 2011 10:58:53 AM
>> *To: *From:Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws>
>> *Subject: **Re: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor*
>>
>> Anders:
>>
>> I'm a C38 owner (hull #258 presently for sale in San Diego), a 
>> Hollaman 55 owner, and race a lot on other people's boats including 
>> an Etchells, a J120, a TP52 and, yes, a SC 37. I did Transpac on the 
>> SC37 Celerity. I believe the SC37 in SF is Tiberon.
>>
>> The SC 37s are all carbon, weigh in at just over 8,000 and will move 
>> right along in the proper conditions and properly sailed. We hit 20s 
>> in numerous occasions at 135 degrees to a 20+ kt breeze on the way to 
>> HA this summer We would have done that much more consistently had the 
>> boat been lighter and the water been a little flatter.
>>
>> The SC37 is light enough to plane with regularity. The difficulty 
>> with the conversation is the definition of "sustained" as we heard 
>> Tiberon had sustained 20 + repeatedly in the coastal cup (on her way 
>> to Long Beach from SF earlier this summer). So when is a plane just a 
>> plane and a surge in speed and when can it be called a "sustained" 
>> speed??? And then, what really counts, what is time around the 
>> course; in other words what is the average speed???
>>
>> Anyway, your friend could easily be correct that a SC37 could hit 26 
>> kts in ideal conditions (reaching, good breeze, good sea conditions, 
>> light boat, AND SOME EXPERIENCED DRIVER /  TRIMMERS. But probably not 
>> for very long. That speed on a 37 foot boat feels like forever, is 
>> not for the faint of heart, and you have very small increments of 
>> time to make decisions and react. I'd have to say those moments feel 
>> more like multi hull sailing or even approaching iceboat stuff than 
>> what the average C38 sailer sees on a day to day basis.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Harry
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>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 09:31 AM, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws> wrote:
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>>> Advice seeking time.
>>>
>>> So, I've got a friend who sails on a VERY fast boat. A very winning
>>> boat. Probably one of the fastest in San Francisco. It's crewed by a
>>> bunch of amazing sailors including some Cup guys. However, she's not
>>> really a sailor and I've had to explain things like what a knot is vs
>>> mph. The boat is a Santa Cruz 37 rates in a 27PHRF. Now, she claims and
>>> has some text messages from other crew saying they've hit 26knots in 
>>> the
>>> bay. I call BS. I pull out all my math on hull speed, plain force
>>> calculations on what it would take to make that boat go into full 
>>> plane.
>>> I've tried showing what PHRF means and that a 27 means they only 
>>> average
>>> 1/2 knot faster than the J/105's. I've tried pulling out their race
>>> times and showing they're only averaging about 6-7knots during races. .
>>> This does not matter.
>>>
>>> Probably most of us have seen exceedences in hull speed for our boats
>>> going down waves and whatnot. However, that's not the claim. The claim
>>> is they REGULARLY go 16-20 knots in bay races. This is 2x or more their
>>> hull speed. .
>>>
>>> Thoughts on how to explain this or anyone have experience with a SC37?
>>>
>>> Anders
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