[C38] Holes in boats

Tue Oct 4 00:32:17 EDT 2011

Good to know that it fits and works on that location. I assume that you have
a siphon  on the run up and then down to the thruhull, right???
Max

2011/10/3 Dick Kilroy <dickkilroy at comcast.net>

> **
> Max: The only thing that goes thru it is shower water, it is as you said,
> installed just after the mast. I like that it has a screen for catching
> hair.
>
> Also as another aside see Lynn and Larry Pardeys comments, Oct Cruising
> world on the Cat 38, page 79. Don't like their price but good comments
>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2011 2:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Holes in boats
>
> Steve,
>
> Dick's sump is about the same size of the Rule one.  I'm planning to
> install it on the bilge right after ot the mast base.
>
> Were do you have yours Dick??   Do you have something else that discharges
> on that container besides the shower??? like the sinks?
>
> Regards,
>
> Max
>
> 2011/10/3 Dick Kilroy <dickkilroy at comcast.net>
>
>> **
>> Guy's Atwood makes a shower container and pump unit that we have on
>> Dashaway in the bilge. It works and pumps thru the head sink outlet
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>  *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2011 11:21 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Holes in boats
>>
>>  Jeffry, Everyone that shares interest for the C38 is welcomed here!!
>>
>> Steve, if the shower sump pump discharges on the head sink thruhull, if
>> you put a bigger pump, you might be getting backflow on the sink.
>> I was planning to remove the pump and install drain that leads to a real
>> shower sump on the bilge like the one on the link. This will also help a lot
>> with the soapy water odors..
>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|26832|319659&id=680799
>>
>> Chuck, I hate to use check valves. The original bilge pumps thru hull on
>> the stern is now for the manual bige pump only. I installed  two  more
>> thruhulls, one on each side, both at same level  (higher the exhaust and
>> manual pump thruhulls) for my bilge pumps. I have a 1500 primary and a 2000
>> secondary on the bilge, plus a high alarm system.
>>
>> Hope this helps, Max
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/3 Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws>
>>
>>> Holes in boats... everybody's nightmare!
>>>
>>> One of the problems I found with our bilge pumping setup is the long hose
>>> and size.   I have a 2000 as well and get quite a bit of head pressure.  I
>>> am planning on replacing the hose with a smooth bore hose that resists
>>> pinching and kinking.  I currently have two pumps working through the one
>>> hose, which does not increase volume but does ensure against pump failure.
>>> I am considering plumbing the second pump (located forward of the shower
>>> sump, which I have disconnected and put the starting battery in) to a
>>> separate overboard hole.  The only thing stopping me is actually selecting
>>> where I am going to drill that second hole...  Probably the best place would
>>> be high on the port side, possibly following the path of the holding tank
>>> vent and then out the side.....
>>>
>>> Anybody have a better idea?
>>>
>>> Chuck Finn
>>> Mighty Quinn,  #114
>>> Great Lakes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2011 2:49 AM, Jeffry Matzdorff wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hope the listserve doesn’t mind me 'hanging around' and occasionally
>>> commenting.  Fact is, this listserve is really awesome.
>>> You guys know your stuff and the emails are filled with lots of really
>>> spot on advise for others.
>>>
>>> Steve, this is an excellent point below. Brilliant idea to increase the
>>> output of the shower sump with a bigger pump.
>>> Other types of hull breaches such as losing a shaft or being holed by
>>> various objects are always possible.
>>>
>>> I lost a though hull bringing up a boat from Baja several years ago.  It
>>> was 0200 and a very rough, dark night.
>>> Between the lag time of not knowing you have a problem, and the frantic
>>> tearing up of floor boards or getting a diaper over it from the outside will
>>> take many minutes.
>>>
>>> High water alarms are great and like you point out, secondary pumps are
>>> always a good idea.
>>>
>>> I have a y-valve on my big bilge pump and an 8' hose attached which I can
>>> move around and get water out when I am heeled over.
>>>
>>> Cheers~
>>>
>>>
>>> Captain Jeffry Matzdorff
>>> 323.855.0191
>>> www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:59 PM
>>> *Subject:* [C38] Holes in boats
>>>
>>> During the planning stage of one of my current projects (putting a sump
>>> in the shower sump, when we have a full crew we can never get the sump
>>> emptied and there is always "liguid" left sloshing and the current design
>>> just doesnt get all of it out, especailly bad on starboard tack) .  I got
>>> the idea to beef up the shower sump with an much larger than needed bilge
>>> pump so that in the event that we ever were taking on water we would have
>>> another higher capacity pump than the one that is currently installed.
>>> Since Im cutting in the new sump hole its easy enough to make sure things
>>> will fit.
>>>
>>> This thought process raised the question of how the capacity of my
>>> current bilge pump stands up against say a failed through hull (hull damage
>>> a whole different story)   I searched and searched the net until I found the
>>> following link that shows the amount of water at different head levels that
>>> comes into a boat through different sized holes.    Eye opening to realize
>>> that depending on the circumstance and which through hull failed I could
>>> loose my boat.
>>>
>>> I have a Rule 2000 in the bilge, thats 33 gallons a minute,  a failed 1"
>>> through hull at 2' head level pumps in 28 gallons per minute, interpolating
>>> to a 1 1/2" through hull the amount of water coming in is 70 gpm.  If you
>>> have never removed your knot meter in the water, try it some time it is
>>> amazing the amount of water that fills the bilge before you get the cap on
>>> the opening.   Thought I would pass this link along so you can have the
>>> information for you own calculations.
>>>
>>> http://www.tpub.com/content/advancement/14145/css/14145_191.htm
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> #312 Peregrine
>>> Seattle
>>>
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