[C38] Vented loop to muffler cooling injector, yes!
Don Strong
drstrong at ucdavis.edu
Sun Nov 6 19:19:35 EST 2011
You are right and so is Steve. Your statement brought the cooling
circuitry flooding back into my brain. I had forgotten the circuit for
the water when I wrote the first bit. (I've been working too much and
haven't thought about the boat enough lately).
The water pump takes seawater from the the seacock at the through hull
via the water filter. The water pump sends water to the cooler, which
sits on top of the engine. The cooling water exits the rear of the
cooler, goes to the the fiberglass box water lock then to the vented
loop (or vented loop first, before the box?). From there, the sea water
squirts into the injection riser of the manifold and into the muffler.
I think I remember this correctly but don't have a diagram here.
Gawd, I gotta get out more often.
Thanks you guys for straightening me out!
Regards, Don
On 11/6/11 3:24 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>
> Ups! Pressed send without having finished the message!!!
>
>> Don,
>> According to the Catalina drawings, That is the original vent
>> location for the C38.
>> I'm with Steve O on the vented loop issue. This vent is supposed to
>> avoid flooding of the muffler and then the engine when you turn it off.
> That's why it needs to be located in the hose right before the elbow
> riser.
> I wouldn't use it before the saltwater pump. That could bring some new
> and unexpected problems....
> Max
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:17, Don Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve:
>>> Thanks for thinking about me. Yes, the vented loop is is at the
>>> top of a hose run of about 2.5 feet straight up from the seacock
>>> that brings in the sea water for engine cooling. The hose then runs
>>> from the loop to the cooler. The loop is screwed to the bulkhead at
>>> the forward end of the sail locker. Dunno if install was part of the
>>> earliest engine (Atom4 or Weserbeake?), but the Yanmar installer did
>>> leave it in place. I believe that the vented loop is there to
>>> prevent seawater from siphoning to the engine when it is not
>>> running. There is no question that a good bit of the engine is below
>>> the water line when the boat heals. I don't want to have to shut
>>> off the through hull every time I shut off the engine.
>>> The brass vent device present at purchase dripped. The drip ran
>>> down the line and onto the starter, which it ruined. I replaced the
>>> starter, and the brass vent with a Marelon vent.
>>> These old boats are enjoyable for me. I really do love worrying
>>> about all of this stuff, but I don't want it to get too much more
>>> expensive. My wife once said that I might enjoy an even older boat
>>> even more. I replied "how about two old boats."
>>>
>>> What do you think about the siphoning concern? What do others think?
>>>
>>> Regards, Don
>>>
>>> On 11/4/11 10:29 PM, S Orton wrote:
>>>> Don, Your email indicates you have a "vented loop" for your engine
>>>> sea water cooling? To me that doesn't sound like a good practice,
>>>> as you could loose your cooling to your engine with a vacuum
>>>> breaker on the suction side of a pump. The scenario- marine growth
>>>> partially plugs the intake, negative pressure increases on the pump
>>>> suction, the vacuum breaker opens, and lets air into the pump
>>>> suction loosing sea water flow. I would definitely check into this.
>>>> Cheers, Steve O
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:44:23 -0600
>>>> From: maxsoto at gmail.com <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>>> To: listserve at catalina38.org <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Vented loop for head discharge
>>>>
>>>> Steve, Since the loop+vent breaks the siphon, the "pressure" on
>>>> the joker valve is from the grey water located between the head and
>>>> the loop.
>>>> Don, same thing happened to the PO, so he made a box that raises
>>>> the head about 7 inches, and added a vented loop to the intake
>>>> hose. Apparently he found he boat with 1' of water. I think that
>>>> the vented loop for the intake is enough, so I'm going to remove
>>>> the riser box. Short people have their feet on the air while
>>>> seating in the head!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> 2011/11/1 Don Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
>>>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve: I did the vented loop head-to sea retrofit because my
>>>> insurer demanded it. Big job! The exit hose goes up the along
>>>> the hull, through the sink top and reaches an apex are just
>>>> under the deck. The vent is at the apex. The loop+vent breaks
>>>> the siphon. I don't see how the grey water problem is any
>>>> different between "overboard" and "waste tank." When the valve
>>>> is thrown to tank, grey water sits behind the joker valve just
>>>> as it does when the valve is thrown to overboard.
>>>>
>>>> I also installed a vented loop for the sea water intake for the
>>>> head after we awoke with 6" of water in the boat (someone
>>>> "moi?" was too sleepy to flip the switch to "dry bowl during
>>>> the night). There is also a vented loop on the sea water
>>>> intake for engine cooling. I recently replaced the vent.
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/31/11 11:43 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Question for anyone with a vented loop in their head
>>>> discharge. Looking at it on paper it seems that the
>>>> pressure of the grey water in the section from the head to
>>>> the vented loop would be enough to leak back into the
>>>> toilet bowl. I know there is a duckbill valve and a
>>>> flapper valve in the head to stop the reverse flow, but as
>>>> we all know if you leave the discharge seacock open the
>>>> head will fill up. Does the vented loop work because the
>>>> head pressure of the grey water in the run from head to
>>>> loop is not as great as that coming from the seacock? Any
>>>> experiences are greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>>> Steve
>>>>
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