[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 896
Max Soto
maxsoto at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 12:54:24 EST 2011
Tom, are you talking about the mylar film???
I have no access to mylar here in costa rica, is it the same used on
windsurfing sails??? because I can get a used winsurfing sail and cut a
piece for my rudder post.
I was also thinking about applying a thin layer of epoxy resin to the
fiberglass tube in order to seal it and get rid of some play. This sound
reasonable to me, how about you????
Steve S. if you're reading this, were didi you get your mylar film??
Regards,
Max
2011/12/1 tdtron at earthlink.net <tdtron at earthlink.net>
> A common fix for bushing less rudder tubes is to lay a shim of material
> between the rudder post and the fiberglass tube. The shim is made from a
> sheet of flexible material but I can't remember the name of the material.
> I don't think it was Tedlar but the name escapes me right now.
>
> From an article I read many years ago, I think the material was available
> from an architectural drawing supply store, if any of them are still
> around.
>
> The idea of the shim is that it acts as both a shim to tighten up the shaft
> but it also acts as a bearing surface to prevent future wear. Gelcoat is a
> horrible bearing material and once it wears through, the underlying
> fiberglass is even far worse because it is highly abrasive.
>
> We have an old 1976 Catalina 27 for our lake boat. It is tiller steered
> and in the '80's I installed the shim material. I then installed a grease
> fitting on the rudder tube in the middle between the shims allowing me to
> annually grease the shaft with waterproof wheel bearing grease.
>
> I've spent no telling how many hundreds of hours since then on the helm and
> even today, the rudder shaft still has no slop.
>
> One advantage of the few remaining tiller steered 38's is that the rudder
> tube is longer than the ones on the wheel steered boats. This allows less
> leverage on the bearing surfaces of the rudder tube. It also makes adding
> the shims easier also but if you only shim one end of the rudder tube it
> will still be a great advantage.
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> > To: bluenoseyachts at gmail.com <bluenoseyachts at gmail.com>; Catalina 38
> Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Date: 12/1/2011 10:47:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 896
> >
> > Glenn, I took down my rudder, and I haven't seen any bushings.. The
> rudder post goes inside the fiberglass tube, and that's it... I'll go
> tomorrow to work on the boat, so I'll take a pic from the tube at the
> bottom of the hull. Is easier to see it now that the gelcoat has been
> removed....
> > Regards, max
> >
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:29, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355
> <bluenoseyachts at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Mark Lewis,
> > > My hull 13 has a wheel.
> > > As I understand it from other posts and info from Catalina the rudder
> post does not have bearings, just bushings that do wear.
> > > Glenn #13 POIA
> > >
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> > >> 1. Re: Hull 13 (Mark Lewis)
> > >>
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> > >> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:38:33 -0800
> > >> From: "Mark Lewis"<mwlewis at comcast.net>
> > >> To: "'Catalina 38 Listserve'"<listserve at catalina38.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [C38] Hull 13
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> > >>
> > >> Glenn,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Did your boat come with tiller or wheel? I have hull #6 and it came
> from
> > >> the factory with tiller. I've decided to convert, and the
> recommendation
> > >> from Edson is to install a stuffing box/bearing combo at the top of
> the
> > >> rudder recut rudder post.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >> Bluewater #6
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> > >> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Walters
> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:22 AM
> > >> To: listserve at catalina38.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 894
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hard to believe that someone has not added rudder bearings.
> > >>
> > >> I am planning to do so with a new rudder and shaft. Seems doable in
> theory
> > >> but if I can avoid reinventing the "wheel " so to speak that would be
> nice.
> > >>
> > >> Glenn
> > >> POIA #13
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 1, 2011 8:08 AM,<listserve-request at catalina38.org> wrote:
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> > >> 1. Re: Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 891 (Joseph Launie)
> > >> 2. Re: Autohelm parts (MB Contact)
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> > >> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:42:55 -0800
> > >> From: Joseph Launie<jlaunie at cox.net>
> > >> To: listserve at catalina38.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 891
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> > >> Glenn,
> > >> A boatyard owner friend of mine added Harken bearings to the
> rudder
> > >> shaft of his Wilderness 40. I helped install them. He had to remove
> them
> > >> later. Joe
> > >>
> > >> On 11/30/2011 1:21 PM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355
> <tel:401%20855%204355>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Does anyone have experience in modifying and adding rudder bearings
> > >>> rather than the standard bushings?
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks
> > >>> Glenn Walters
> > >>> POIA hull #13
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/29/2011 8:55 PM, listserve-request at catalina38.org wrote:
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> > >>>> 1. Re: Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive (Max Soto)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Message: 1
> > >>>> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:47:06 -0600
> > >>>> From: Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>,
> > >>>> mwlewis at comcast.net
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>> <CAMenP9MnAYgZB3Hsm5Hj9vZ6Z05UF1F2O5Kwutexjj1vq727zw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hey Mark,
> > >>>> Here a re a few pics from the engine room and the lazarette. There
> is no
> > >>>> cut out, because never had anything separating the lazarette from
> engine
> > >>>> room. You'll have to remove yours in order to accommodate the radial
> > >>>> wheel.
> > >>>> The rudder obviously has been removed, so you can see the packing
> > >>>> gland and
> > >>>> the piece of wood that works as rudder stop.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, the void in my hull between the rudder post and the strut
> location
> > >>>> was just filled with foam and fiberglased, so water coming from the
> > >>>> rudder
> > >>>> gland will go right to the bilge without accumulating in the engine
> > >>>> room.
> > >>>> Hopefully, the humidity in this area will drop a lot.
> > >>>> These areas are the most neglected by myself on Estancia, but I just
> > >>>> started working on them, hopefully they'll look great in a few
> weeks.
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Max
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2011/11/25 Mark Lewis<mwlewis at comcast.net>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Steve,****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ** **
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It looks like there is barely room for an 8" radial. Does your
> boat
> > >>>>> have
> > >>>>> a cutout in the rear lazerrette to accommodate it? See pics of my
> > >>>>> boat.**
> > >>>>> **
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ** **
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mark****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ** **
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> > >>>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
> > >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:18 PM
> > >>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> > >>>>> *Subject:* [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ** **
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just a technical note for everyone, our boats came installed with a
> > >>>>> radial
> > >>>>> wheel drive, that is the circular aluminum piece mounted to the
> > >>>>> rudder post
> > >>>>> that the cable runs around and terminates at the tightening ubolts.
> A
> > >>>>> quadrant is an aluminum piece shaped like a piece of pie that
> > >>>>> attaches to
> > >>>>> the rudder post and does the same thing.
> > >>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/wheel_conversion/pdfs/S-936.pdf
> > >>>>> (link
> > >>>>> to Edson Catalina 38 diagram) and
> > >>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index
> > >>
> <
> http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=287
> >
> > >> &cPath=287
> > >>>>> (link
> > >>>>> to a picture showing both) ****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Steve****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> #312 Peregrine****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Seattle****
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ****
> > >>>>>
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> > >> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:18:59 -0500
> > >> From: MB Contact<mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>
> > >> Cc: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [C38] Autohelm parts
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> > >> Hey all...
> > >>
> > >> Speaking of auto helms .... Does any one have any Autohelm ST4000
> parts? My
> > >> wheel drive actuator went up. Well, it started slipping, and then in a
> blow
> > >> one of the internal roller ring posts snapped off and caused one of
> the
> > >> rollers to rattle around inside the wheel ring unit...basically
> disabling my
> > >> steering completely. (was fun pulling the ring and the wheel off to
> ditch
> > >> the whole thing while underway!) anyway, my control head and power
> supply
> > >> work just fine..., and up till about 10mins ago the actuator motor did
> too
> > >> (stupid me pulled the motor off the ring only to see the internal
> gears go
> > >> flying...guess I can put that back together)... but my wheel drive
> actuator
> > >> is beyond repair. so I'm looking for a wheel drive actuator ring,
> either
> > >> with a motor, or with out.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone got a box of parts laying around? Or know where I might find
> one? Do
> > >> I really have to get a whole new system?
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >> Momentous #230
> > >>
> > >> Oh yea btw... Found a nice canvas guy in Baltimore that just did a
> custom
> > >> dodger for me, and is working on a complete bikini and connector too.
> Good
> > >> price, very accommodating guy. Charm City marine Canvas. Thought I'd
> pass it
> > >> along.
> > >>
> > >> Hey Phil Gay... A big thanks to you for sending me pics of your
> dodger...
> > >> They helped me design mine. Pic attached.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I have the Type 1 (12in stroke), so as Davd pointed out, a small
> > >> modification might be needed to the rudder stops, in order to make it
> work,
> > >> but not that big of a project.....
> > >>> I was planning to install it directly to the radial wheel, with only
> a 8"
> > >> radius instead of the 10" tiller arm, but still it should work.. I
> hope!
> > >>> This unit came with a complete Autohelm ST6000 autopilot, but is
> that
> > >> old (around 20years), that is not NMEA compatible, and that's why I
> want to
> > >> remove the wheel pitlot assembly and install it with the ST4000+
> display.
> > >> Despite what RM support said, now I find it really hard to make it
> work like
> > >> this, but I'll give it a try. As Tom said, the wheel pilot is very
> easy for
> > >> connections and maintenance, but despite the patented Troncalli's
> shock cord
> > >> solution (which BTW works great most of the time!!), the wheel pilot
> slips
> > >> when the wind is blowing hard and the weatherhelm increases...... So
> the
> > >> linear drive should be more reliable...
> > >>> I've heard great comments about the Nexus and Simrad/ Robertson, but
> > >> because of the price, they are out of the question. If I don't make
> the
> > >> linear drive work, I'll stick with the wheel pilot, or maybe I'll just
> > >> install both autopilots, hopefully, the new 20 years old ST6000 might
> work
> > >> and I'll have a very good back up.
> > >>> Have someone installed any brand of drive unit directly to the radial
> > >> wheel??? Edson used to reccomed it, but years ago, they changed their
> mind,
> > >> started reccommending the tiller arms that they started producing.
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Max
> > >>>
> > >>> 2011/11/29 David Epstein<davidepstein at earthlink.net>
> > >>> Max,
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you know if it is a Type 1 (12 in stroke) or a Type1L (16 in
> stroke)?
> > >> If it is a Type 1, my notes indicate that it rated for up to a 22,000
> lb
> > >> boat, requires a 10" tiller arm, and it has a maximum of +/-35 degrees
> of
> > >> rudder travel. The 1L is good up to 33,000 lbs, requires a 16"
> tiller arm
> > >> as is also limited to +/-35 degrees.
> > >>> SuperStar's rudder has about 90 degrees of travel (+/-45), so if your
> boat
> > >> has similar range, you may have to modify your stops on each side so
> that
> > >> you don't have a problem when the linear drive is in bypass. I would
> think
> > >> you could be able to make the Raymarine unit work on a 38.
> > >>> When I did my research, I concluded that the absolute best solution
> for
> > >> SuperStar would be the Nexus/ComNav HP-40 integrated linear drive (or
> the
> > >> AP-23 with a separate pump), as it is fast, powerful and has up to
> +/-50
> > >> degrees of travel with the specified tiller arm length. I have not
> yet
> > >> purchased a Nexus drive unit, so I can't tell you about any firsthand
> > >> results...
> > >>> David Epstein
> > >>> SuperStar, #122
> > >>> Marina del Rey, CA
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> At 12:23 PM 11/29/2011, you wrote:
> > >>>> I got a new one of this for free, and according to Raymarine
> Support, it
> > >> can be installed with my ST400+ wheel pilot display.
> > >>>> Does anyone has installed one of this below deck drives on a C38 ??
> If
> > >> so, any installation pics or recommendations will be appreciated!
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Max Soto
> > >>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> > >>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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> > >>> Max Soto
> > >>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> > >>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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