[C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure

Thu Apr 12 13:18:59 EDT 2012

I guess that I will have to move the pump between the Racor and spin-on,
and get rid of the first in line filters.. With the current set up, I have
three fuel filters on the same line.... Amazingly this is the only job that
I'm going to perform that  doesn't include any expenses! LOL
Regards,
Max

El 12 de abril de 2012 07:05, D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com> escribió:

> Max,
> The lift pump should always be after the primary fuel filters. It sucks
> the fuel through the filters. That's why there are often inline vacuum
> gauges to let you know when a filter is in need of replacing.
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> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Sent:* Wed, April 11, 2012 8:53:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure
>
> One more question...
>
> I noticed that on Estancia, the fuel line leaves the tank straight forward
> to the fuel pump, then the Racor, and then to the engine spin-on filter.
> There was a small outboard style inline filter between the tank and the
> pump, but I got rid of it.
> I'm also thinking that the PO installed the pump first for better suction,
> but shouldn't the Racor  be  located first???  Other wise the pump element
> can get clogged... Am I right or completely lost???
>
> Regards,
> Max
>
> El 11 de abril de 2012 10:53, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Dave and Tom,
>> Thanks  a lot. Now I know that almost any pump for a carburated engine
>> will work. I wasn't able to find a facet (now Purolator) pump here, so I
>> found it for $69 on ebay, and Catalinadirect asks $237 for the same pump.
>> That pump has a filter element on the inside, and I was hoping that it was
>> just clogged but it was clean.. I wasn{t aware that it also has a magnet
>> for collecting debris.
>>  I just took a spare pump that my father has for his old Jag while I get
>> the new one...
>> I've been planning to install a outboard prime bulb to my engine, just
>> for back up, but you know, it was not on my priorities list... ask me now!
>> LOL
>>
>> Regards,
>> Max
>>
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>> El 11 de abril de 2012 05:58, tdtron at earthlink.net <tdtron at earthlink.net>escribió:
>>
>>>  *Hello Max,*
>>> **
>>> *I don't know what the recommended supply pressure is for the
>>> Universals but these engine as you know you have two pumps, the electric
>>> lift pump and the mechanical injector pump.*
>>> **
>>> *The electric pump is the "lift" pump and it's only duty is to supply
>>> fuel to the injector pump and the actual pressure should not be important.
>>> *
>>> **
>>> *I was on a sail around the Florida Keys once in a Contessa 26 with a
>>> British Petter engine and the engine driven mechanical pump failed causing
>>> the engine to die coming into Ft. Lauderdale.  We diagnosed the problem
>>> that the diaphragm in the cam driven automotive type mechanical pump had
>>> ruptured causing loss of pressure to the injector pump.*
>>> **
>>> *We sailed without power back to a slip near the 17th Street causeway
>>> sailing by million dollar yachts hoping we could maintain control in a
>>> narrow channel.  That was a really nervous adventure.  It was on a Sunday
>>> morning and we couldn't find anyone open who could sell us a replacement
>>> pump to fit the Petter engine.*
>>> **
>>> *As a "Rube Goldberg" remedy, we raised the fuel tank that was mounted
>>> in the port sail locker high enough to gravity feed the engine.*
>>> **
>>> *By raising the fuel tank we were able to crank up and head out of the
>>> harbor and down the Keys with no further problems.  Several years later my
>>> friend who owned the boat sold it but he never replaced the mechanical lift
>>> pump.  He removed the mechanical lift pump and covered the hole in the
>>> engine block with a gasket cover plate and to this day that boat is still
>>> running with no lift pump.  The head pressure of the fuel tank was only
>>> about 12" above engine's injector pump but we found that we could still
>>> motor sail heeling enough that the fuel tank was actually below the
>>> injector pump but since the fuel line had no leaks, the vacuum held from
>>> the injector pump and the engine ran without problems.*
>>>
>>> *With a properly primed fuel line, from that experience I discovered
>>> that the lift pump is really not needed.  However, if there is any leakage
>>> at all in the fuel line the vacuum is lost and you will lose engine power
>>> so I am not advocating getting rid of the lift pump but from my experience
>>> I don't think the actually lift pump pressure is very important.*
>>> **
>>> *After my own experience I ran into another sailor who had a lift pump
>>> failure and he made a temporary fuel line from an outboard fuel line and
>>> used the primer bulb to prime his fuel injector pump.  The last time I ran
>>> into this salty sailor his outboard fuel line with a primer bulb was still
>>> his only lift pump and he never gave it another thought.  He was actually
>>> running a negative pressure since his fuel tank was below his engine
>>> injector pump.*
>>> ****
>>> *Tom Troncalli*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>> *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve <Listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> *Sent:* 4/10/2012 4:48:07 PM
>>> *Subject:* [C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> Do anyone knows what's the electric fuel pump pressure that is used on
>>> the Universal 5424 / M30 engines??
>>> The original screw up my Eastern week trip when she died on me at the
>>> middle of a channel, then, I  hit it with a wrench and started working.
>>> With some gentile persuation every now and then with the wrench, she
>>> took me back home......
>>> I found several Facet pumps on ebay, same looks, but different
>>> pressure....
>>> I'm planning to get something like this locally and save my next weekend
>>> trip!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>>
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>> Max Soto
>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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