[C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure

Thu Apr 12 13:53:08 EDT 2012

Totally right Larry,
The Racor will be working before the fuel pump.
Everybody should keep in mind that these pumps has a filter inside of it
that should be checked every now and then.
That filter is also replaceable.
Check it out here:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1634&ParentCat=71
Regards,
Max

El 12 de abril de 2012 11:39, Larry Malmberg <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>escribió:

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> Max, If I were you I would keep at least one filter between the fuel tank
> and the fuel pump, this will insure that your fuel pump doesn't get plugged
> up, then as many filters as you want from the fuel pump to the injector
> pump.
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> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:19 AM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
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> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure
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> I guess that I will have to move the pump between the Racor and spin-on,
> and get rid of the first in line filters.. With the current set up, I have
> three fuel filters on the same line.... Amazingly this is the only job that
> I'm going to perform that  doesn't include any expenses! LOL
> Regards,
> Max
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> El 12 de abril de 2012 07:05, D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com> escribió:
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>>  Max,
>> The lift pump should always be after the primary fuel filters. It sucks
>> the fuel through the filters. That's why there are often inline vacuum
>> gauges to let you know when a filter is in need of replacing.
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>> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> *Sent:* Wed, April 11, 2012 8:53:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure
>>
>> One more question...
>>
>> I noticed that on Estancia, the fuel line leaves the tank straight
>> forward to the fuel pump, then the Racor, and then to the engine spin-on
>> filter. There was a small outboard style inline filter between the tank and
>> the pump, but I got rid of it.
>> I'm also thinking that the PO installed the pump first for better
>> suction, but shouldn't the Racor  be  located first???  Other wise the pump
>> element can get clogged... Am I right or completely lost???
>>
>> Regards,
>> Max
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>> El 11 de abril de 2012 10:53, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> escribió:
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>>> Dave and Tom,
>>> Thanks  a lot. Now I know that almost any pump for a carburated engine
>>> will work. I wasn't able to find a facet (now Purolator) pump here, so I
>>> found it for $69 on ebay, and Catalinadirect asks $237 for the same pump.
>>> That pump has a filter element on the inside, and I was hoping that it was
>>> just clogged but it was clean.. I wasn{t aware that it also has a magnet
>>> for collecting debris.
>>>  I just took a spare pump that my father has for his old Jag while I get
>>> the new one...
>>> I've been planning to install a outboard prime bulb to my engine, just
>>> for back up, but you know, it was not on my priorities list... ask me now!
>>> LOL
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>>> Regards,
>>> Max
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>>> El 11 de abril de 2012 05:58, tdtron at earthlink.net <tdtron at earthlink.net
>>> > escribió:
>>>
>>>>   *Hello Max,*
>>>> **
>>>> *I don't know what the recommended supply pressure is for the
>>>> Universals but these engine as you know you have two pumps, the electric
>>>> lift pump and the mechanical injector pump.*
>>>> **
>>>> *The electric pump is the "lift" pump and it's only duty is to supply
>>>> fuel to the injector pump and the actual pressure should not be important.
>>>> *
>>>> **
>>>> *I was on a sail around the Florida Keys once in a Contessa 26 with a
>>>> British Petter engine and the engine driven mechanical pump failed causing
>>>> the engine to die coming into Ft. Lauderdale.  We diagnosed the problem
>>>> that the diaphragm in the cam driven automotive type mechanical pump had
>>>> ruptured causing loss of pressure to the injector pump.*
>>>> **
>>>> *We sailed without power back to a slip near the 17th Street causeway
>>>> sailing by million dollar yachts hoping we could maintain control in a
>>>> narrow channel.  That was a really nervous adventure.  It was on a Sunday
>>>> morning and we couldn't find anyone open who could sell us a replacement
>>>> pump to fit the Petter engine.*
>>>> **
>>>> *As a "Rube Goldberg" remedy, we raised the fuel tank that was mounted
>>>> in the port sail locker high enough to gravity feed the engine.*
>>>> **
>>>> *By raising the fuel tank we were able to crank up and head out of the
>>>> harbor and down the Keys with no further problems.  Several years later my
>>>> friend who owned the boat sold it but he never replaced the mechanical lift
>>>> pump.  He removed the mechanical lift pump and covered the hole in the
>>>> engine block with a gasket cover plate and to this day that boat is still
>>>> running with no lift pump.  The head pressure of the fuel tank was only
>>>> about 12" above engine's injector pump but we found that we could still
>>>> motor sail heeling enough that the fuel tank was actually below the
>>>> injector pump but since the fuel line had no leaks, the vacuum held from
>>>> the injector pump and the engine ran without problems.*
>>>>
>>>> *With a properly primed fuel line, from that experience I discovered
>>>> that the lift pump is really not needed.  However, if there is any leakage
>>>> at all in the fuel line the vacuum is lost and you will lose engine power
>>>> so I am not advocating getting rid of the lift pump but from my experience
>>>> I don't think the actually lift pump pressure is very important.*
>>>> **
>>>> *After my own experience I ran into another sailor who had a lift pump
>>>> failure and he made a temporary fuel line from an outboard fuel line and
>>>> used the primer bulb to prime his fuel injector pump.  The last time I ran
>>>> into this salty sailor his outboard fuel line with a primer bulb was still
>>>> his only lift pump and he never gave it another thought.  He was actually
>>>> running a negative pressure since his fuel tank was below his engine
>>>> injector pump.*
>>>> ****
>>>> *Tom Troncalli*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve <Listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>> *Sent:* 4/10/2012 4:48:07 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [C38] Facet Fuel Pump pressure
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Do anyone knows what's the electric fuel pump pressure that is used on
>>>> the Universal 5424 / M30 engines??
>>>> The original screw up my Eastern week trip when she died on me at the
>>>> middle of a channel, then, I  hit it with a wrench and started working.
>>>> With some gentile persuation every now and then with the wrench, she
>>>> took me back home......
>>>> I found several Facet pumps on ebay, same looks, but different
>>>> pressure....
>>>> I'm planning to get something like this locally and save my next
>>>> weekend trip!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> --
>>>> Max Soto
>>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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Max Soto
C38 #198 ESTANCIA
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