[C38] FW: Re: Symetrical Spinnakers and now radar mounts

Joseph Launie jlaunie at cox.net
Fri Aug 3 22:08:28 EDT 2012


thanks Tom - you have  remembered way more than I know Joe
On 8/3/2012 3:20 PM, tdtron at earthlink.net wrote:
> Hello Joe again,
> As I was cutting our lawn a few minutes ago I was thinking of 
> the email below and suddenly remembered that a SO238 is probably the 
> chassis mounted connector for a PL-259 VHF connector like the 
> connectors on the back of our VHF radios and not the barrel connector 
> used to connect to PL259's together.  I have not taken the time to go 
> look up the names of the connectors to be certain but any Radio Shack 
> or ham radio store can help you with the connectors once you identify 
> the coax type.
> It's been a long time since I worked with that stuff and now I think I 
> have CRS but I forgot what that stands for.
> Tom Troncalli
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* tdtron at earthlink.net <mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net>
>     *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>     *Sent:* 8/3/2012 4:04:37 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [C38] Symetrical Spinnakers
>
>     Hello Joe,
>     You don't have to spice the coax.  Depending on the type of coax,
>     there are couplers and barrel connectors to match. For instance,
>     on RG58 or similar coax cables, you put a PL259 on each side of
>     the cut and then connect both connectors to a female barrel
>     connector which may be a SO238.  I am working on memory here but
>     any ham radio store should be able to help you if you identify the
>     coax.
>     Installing solder type PL259 connectors is a pain but don't be
>     tempted to use the solderless type, they invite trouble on boats.
>     They should also offer sealing putty also to wrap the connection
>     for a water tight connection.  Even a well wrapped connection
>     using quality electrical tape will work.  I often use WD40 on the
>     actual connectors before I connect them and then clean the
>     outsides for a good bond with either the putty or tape.
>     This is more difficult than a conventional splice but using these
>     connectors allows easy removal in the future if needed and also
>     keeps the inductance of the cable uniform for best conductivity
>     and minimum loss at the high frequencies of radar.
>     Tom Troncalli
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Joseph Launie <mailto:jlaunie at cox.net>
>         *To: *listserve at catalina38.org <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>         *Sent:* 8/3/2012 3:23:01 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [C38] Symetrical Spinnakers
>
>         Tom,
>             Thank you - I like the idea of shimming to a smaller
>         diameter aluminium post since mine is stainless. It would be
>         very difficult to unthread the co-ax so I wonder if I can cut
>         and splice it - voids waranty but that is long gone anyway. Joe
>         On 8/3/2012 7:18 AM, tdtron at earthlink.net wrote:
>>         Hello Joe,
>>         What is the Inside diameter 6' post?  If you can find out
>>         that dimension and locate a piece of similar material but
>>         smaller with an outside diameter of the inside diameter of
>>         the standing 6' post, you could easily telescope the two
>>         pieces together making the post mount any height you want.
>>         As you know, the strains are less higher up the post vs. the
>>         lower section so you will not lose any strength by using a
>>         smaller diameter post extension and your wind resistance will
>>         be less also than a uniform diameter post to the new height.
>>         I have made similar projects and finding exact size tubes
>>         that have telescoping dimension properties is often difficult
>>         but the radio industry has sources for telescoping
>>         materials.  If your existing post does not have a
>>         corresponding smaller post material that is compatible, you
>>         can shim the smaller post with something like plastic tape
>>         (not duct tape) to take out the dimensional differences if
>>         they are small.  I have also used the shim method to
>>         transition from steel to aluminum with good results since the
>>         materials are isolated by the dielectric qualities of the
>>         plastic tape.  Any ham radio outlet should be able to give
>>         you resources to find the materials you need to make a post
>>         extension.  This is a regular problem with building radio
>>         antennas and towers.
>>         If this procedure of using an inside post to modify the
>>         height of your existing post will work for you, you may be
>>         able to leave the existing post mounted to your boat which
>>         will save a lot of time.
>>         I wish you were closer to me so I could help you with this
>>         project.  I have a fairly complete weld shop and machine shop
>>         so that I can still practice my abilities of being a
>>         technical blue collar nerd wannabe.
>>         Good luck,
>>         Tom Troncalli
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>             *From:* Joseph Launie <mailto:jlaunie at cox.net>
>>             *To: *listserve at catalina38.org
>>             <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>>             *Sent:* 8/3/2012 3:01:36 AM
>>             *Subject:* Re: [C38] Symetrical Spinnakers
>>
>>             Steve,
>>                 Thanks - now how do I go from a 6 foot post to a 10
>>             foot one? I have lots of xtra cable. I guess I have to
>>             discard this one and build the ten foot out of aluminum.
>>             It would be way easier if I could cut the co-ax. Joe
>>             On 8/2/2012 10:22 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>
>>>             Joe,
>>>
>>>             When I did my post I did the calculations so that the
>>>             bowman assuming he is six feet tall would be missed by
>>>             the beam, our post is 10 tall and mounted so the base is
>>>             where the fuel line vent use to be.   If I remember
>>>             correctly the angle off the the radome for the beam is
>>>             2-2.5 degrees
>>>
>>>             Steve
>>>
>>>             *From:*listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>>             [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of
>>>             *Joseph Launie
>>>             *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:14 AM
>>>             *To:* listserve at catalina38.org
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [C38] Symetrical Spinnakers
>>>
>>>             we have another rigging issue.We let the idiot "rigger"
>>>             for the local J boat dealer install our radar. He put it
>>>             on a post 6 feet above the deck. We are afraid to use it
>>>             for fear of radiation damage. Any thoughts? Joe
>>>
>>>             On 7/31/2012 9:39 AM, William Knowles wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Jay are you using the external spin block or an
>>>                 internal one say your spare jib haylard, that could
>>>                 be a problem.
>>>
>>>                 Bill
>>>
>>>                 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Donald Strong
>>>                 <drstrong at ucdavis.edu <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>>
>>>                 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Jay: I feel for you man. We have had lots of spinny
>>>                 drama. We always roller furl the jib when flying
>>>                 spinnaker. The rest of your questions are beyond my
>>>                 experience.
>>>                 Don
>>>
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>>>                 > Hello All,
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > We flew our 0.75 oz spinnaker for the first time
>>>                 yesterday during a
>>>                 > family sail and have a couple of questions for the
>>>                 group.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > 1.                   During the douse the spin
>>>                 halyard got stuck and
>>>                 > appeared to be caught on the roller furling gear
>>>                 near the masthead.  Is
>>>                 > this common?  Also, is it normal to roller furl
>>>                 the jib when using a
>>>                 > symmetrical chute or do you really need to drop it
>>>                 on deck?  I race on a
>>>                 > Serendipity 43 and Swan 51 with a deck sweeper
>>>                 jibs that are dropped
>>>                 > when flying a chute, and on a J-105 that rolls the
>>>                 jib while flying an
>>>                 > asymmetrical, so having a roller furler and a
>>>                 symmetrical chute is new
>>>                 > to us.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > 2.                   While working to get the
>>>                 chute down we added a few
>>>                 > new tears to the many that were there previously
>>>                 so was going to put out
>>>                 > a call to anyone who might have a used symmetrical
>>>                 spinnaker(s)
>>>                 > (0.5-0.75oz) laying around that they are not
>>>                 using.  Will pay a
>>>                 > reasonable price plus shipping!
>>>                 >
>>>                 > 3.                   And lastly, does anyone who
>>>                 uses very light
>>>                 > spinnaker sheets in light air have a preference
>>>                 for light weight
>>>                 > shackles.  The plastic Lewmar ones we use on the
>>>                 Serendipity tend to
>>>                 > open up under load and I thought one of you may
>>>                 have a preferable
>>>                 > option??  Or maybe we'll just tie on light line!
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Thanks much!
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Jay & Dorothy Sorensen
>>>                 >
>>>                 > C-38 #311 Broad Reach
>>>                 >
>>>                 > San Diego, CA
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
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>>>                 > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;
>>>                 > font-family:Arial'>We flew our 0.75 oz spinnaker
>>>                 for the first time
>>>                 > yesterday
>>>                 > during a family sail and have a couple of
>>>                 questions for the
>>>                 > group.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>>>                 >
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>>>                 > size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>During
>>>                 the douse the spin
>>>                 > halyard
>>>                 > got stuck and appeared to be caught on the roller
>>>                 furling gear near the
>>>                 > masthead.  Is this common?  Also, is it normal to
>>>                 roller furl
>>>                 > the jib
>>>                 > when using a symmetrical chute or do you really
>>>                 need to drop it on deck?
>>>                 >  I
>>>                 > race on a Serendipity 43 and Swan 51 with a deck
>>>                 sweeper jibs that are
>>>                 > dropped
>>>                 > when flying a chute, and on a J-105 that rolls the
>>>                 jib while flying an
>>>                 > asymmetrical, so having a roller furler and a
>>>                 symmetrical chute is new to
>>>                 > us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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>>>                 > size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>While
>>>                 working to get the chute
>>>                 > down
>>>                 > we added a few new tears to the many that were
>>>                 there previously so was
>>>                 > going to
>>>                 > put out a call to anyone who might have a used
>>>                 symmetrical spinnaker(s)
>>>                 > (0.5-0.75oz) laying around that they are not
>>>                 using.  Will pay a
>>>                 > reasonable
>>>                 > price plus shipping!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>>>                 >
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>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>And
>>>                 lastly, does anyone who
>>>                 > uses
>>>                 > very light spinnaker sheets in light air have a
>>>                 preference for light
>>>                 > weight
>>>                 > shackles.  The plastic Lewmar ones we use on the
>>>                 Serendipity tend to
>>>                 > open
>>>                 > up under load and I thought one of you may have a
>>>                 preferable
>>>                 > option??  Or
>>>                 > maybe we'll just tie on light
>>>                 > line!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>>>                 >
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>>>                 >
>>>                 > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;
>>>                 > font-family:Arial'>Thanks
>>>                 > much!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>>>                 >
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>>>                 >
>>>                 > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;
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>>>                 > Sorensen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>>>                 >
>>>                 > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
>>>                 > style='font-size:10.0pt;
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