[C38] ugly tow

Mon Mar 18 18:32:00 EDT 2013

Not sure if someone else said this, I don't think the bow went up, as the
hull speed increases the stern wave builds. The first time this happened to
me I thought a boat was right on our side during a race. Scared the cr34p
out of me.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Don Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu> wrote:

> Chuck:
> Gawd, I'm glad not have have missed the sleep 12 years ago to which that
> the tug operator could have subjected me. I don't think he realized the
> shallowness the area between the 90 deg. legs of the fairway. He did remove
> a big patch of bottom paint (but the cleat held!). What a way to introduce
> my family to the new boat!
> I love you guys!
> Don
>
> On 3/18/13 2:30 PM, Charles Finn wrote:
>
>> I think what you are experiencing is physics!  Your boat was being pulled
>> faster than hull speed and was creating a wave longer than the boat.  The
>> tow was in essence pulling your boat up the front of the wave and your
>> stern was finding out what being in the bottom of the wave means (sort of
>> self pooping).  Just a little faster and you would founder!
>>
>> Regarding the tow...  Didn't they have you secure a line from your bow
>> cleat to the mast?  If not.... wow!  Because if anything gave way, you
>> would certainly have broached and maybe worse.  I learned this while
>> studying for the USCG Towing Certificate.
>>
>> Just something to think about when you can't sleep anyway!
>>
>> Chuck Finn
>> Mighty Quinn  #114
>> Great Lakes
>>
>> On 3/18/2013 3:14 PM, Larry Malmberg wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing I can think of is the bow shape caused it to rise under
>>> tow
>>> and pushed the stern down.  The water was boiling at the stern and just
>>> about to come over.  BTW If you don't have Vessel Assist Unlimited
>>> Towing I
>>> strongly suggest it, the cost would have been over 7K for that tow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Malmberg Team Hassle
>>> Telephone:  909-208-1847
>>> Fascimiline: 909-991-7568
>>> E Mail:  larrypi at roadrunner.com
>>>
>>> Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
>>> in
>>> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in roadside,
>>> thoroughly
>>> used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; "WOW-- What a Ride!"
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.**org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces@**catalina38.org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
>>> On Behalf Of Don Strong
>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:51 AM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] bow up, stern down
>>>
>>> Larry:
>>>      That story about the long,rough tow is fascinating and reassuring
>>> about our aging beauties.
>>> I'm especially interested in hearing that the tow sucked the stern down.
>>> I was warned about this
>>> before purchasing our C38 by one of those super knowledgeable dudes (aka
>>> windbags),
>>> but have never experienced it under sail.
>>>       Stern up is what we experienced on a hugely cool sail under asym
>>> spinnaker last week. We finally have
>>> our top down furler working; it is wonderful!!! The spinny pulls the
>>> stern up markedly on most points of sail.
>>> More wind, more bow down. Even when we were pushing 9 knts in a perfect
>>> 15knt wind at ca 135 degrees,
>>> the stern was up. Of course, stern up is a problem when the dumb sheet
>>> man (moi) lets the wind overpower the boat;
>>> rudder out of the water, no can steer, yikes! Let that sheet go!
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 3/18/13 10:33 AM, Larry Malmberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right you are Don, we were towed from Ensenada Mexico to Long Beach CA
>>>>
>>> when
>>>
>>>> our transmission went out, used the bow cleat all the way and no
>>>> problems
>>>> what so ever.  Vessel Assist went about 8 knots, the bow was up high and
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> stern low.  I kept waiting for water to rush in over the stern, never
>>>> happened though.  LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry Malmberg Team Hassle
>>>> Telephone:  909-208-1847
>>>> Fascimiline: 909-991-7568
>>>> E Mail:  larrypi at roadrunner.com
>>>>
>>>> Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in roadside,
>>>>
>>> thoroughly
>>>
>>>> used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; "WOW-- What a Ride!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.**org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>
>>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces@**catalina38.org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Don Strong
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:29 AM
>>>> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] What is the issue with C38 bow cleats?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends:
>>>>     I have lost the thread on this post. Please remind me of it. I will
>>>> comment, however, that our C38 central bow cleat is beafy. As evidence I
>>>> over the experience that I, Mr Moron, had as we motored on to a mudbank
>>>> on the way out of the harbor on our first day of ownership of Discreet
>>>> Charm. (I will spare you the family's comments on the seamanship of the
>>>> coxswain).
>>>>
>>>> The tug that was dredging our marina took pity, and his crewed rowed a
>>>> huge line over to us. It was of such a diameter than the cleat was too
>>>> small to take a trun. I had to use a smaller line to fasten that
>>>> massive, greasy, muddy thing to the bow cleat cleat.. The Tug then
>>>> dragged us across 10 meters of 4 ft deep mud while we heeled to port
>>>> like mad. Back in the channel, I released the line. Checking the bolts
>>>> and cleats some 12 years later, no problem.
>>>> Don
>>>> C38 Discreet Charm
>>>> Emery Cove, San Francisco Bay
>>>>
>>>> On 3/18/13 10:04 AM, les wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Ray,
>>>>>     I am reposting your question here to keep the context.
>>>>> On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 19:45 -0700, Ray Torok wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for getting back to me on this.  Here's another idea I'm toying
>>>>>> with.  Perhaps you considered it.   Suppose I drill and tap the toe
>>>>>> rail for the outboard bolts of the cleat?  I would have to shim under
>>>>>> the inboard part of the cleat, but it would get the cleat farther
>>>>>> outboard.  Any reaction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I don't think this is a good idea.  If the cleat should fail in bad
>>>>> conditions, you would not only lose the cleat, but possibly the toerail
>>>>> section and along with that a portion of the deck seal to the hull.  A
>>>>> really bad situation would escalate immediately to an extremely
>>>>> dangerous one.  Others may know the construction well enough that they
>>>>> could advise otherwise, but this is my gut feeling.  When it comes to
>>>>> the ocean, keeping the water out is my paramount effort in any
>>>>> emergency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Les H
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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