[C38] between dinette seat and holding tank

Tue Jun 25 12:57:07 EDT 2013

Thanks Tom.  That's good info.  My boat has lots of wires in the bilge,
anchored to the underside of the cabin sole on one side.  Sounds like they
did it differently in the newer boats.  How does your mast wiring get back
to the nav station?

Thanks,   Ray Torok

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Tom T. <tdtron at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  Between cabin sole below the mast and the keel is a piece of timber.
> Mine became soft and I had to cut out the sole to remove the soft wood.  I
> replaced the wood with laid up fiberglass in a mold I formed in the bilge.
> This was a very difficult project but it allowed me to glass in a couple of
> electrical PVC wide angles for my lightning ground cables which I attached
> to the inside of the mast before it was re-installed.  I also attached
> another ground cable to the aluminum mast base while the mast was out
> making it a conductor to the forward keel bolt which is almost impossible
> to get to except with this procedure.  I ended up with three 1/2" ground
> cables, two going along either side of the bilge, connected to the keel
> bolts, and terminating at the engine block.  The third cable was from the
> mast base to the front keel bolt.
>
> I kept my mast wiring going out through the port side hole in the lower
> mast by the forward settee but you could use this technique to use an
> electrical PVC elbow to carry the mast wiring but then you would have the
> wiring in the bilge instead up high and dry like Catalina did it.
>
> I have sent a nylon messenger down from the top of the mast with a small
> fishing weight and was able to snag it with a piece of mechanics wire once
> the line was down.  I had no problem snagging the messenger through that
> little hole in the mast.  I did it with the mast wires still in the hole
> too.
>
> There are several places where wood was used on the Catalina 38 where
> other materials would have been better, the mast step is one of them.
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
>
>
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>
>
> On 6/24/2013 7:14 PM, Ray Torok wrote:
>
> The idea was to look at cutting the cabin sole (not the mast) to get
> better access to the bottom of the mast and the step.  I'm not sure how
> much it would help.  The idea of additional holes in the mast is another
> question.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Donald Strong <drstrong at ucdavis.edu>wrote:
>
>>  Don't hole that mast!
>>
>> On 6/24/13 3:39 PM, Ray Torok wrote:
>>
>> Argh!  Isn't this why they invented saber saws?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <
>> littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Shit
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Subject: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>>  Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 15:17
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly, in that tiny space between the holding tank and the
>>> fiberglass..
>>>
>>> Max Soto
>>> +506-8312-1367
>>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>
>>> On 24/06/2013, at 16:07, "littlebreeze at comcast.net" <
>>> littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  So to clarify, most are using the existing hole(s) on the dinette side
>>> of the mast.  I mean in that tiny space between the mast and the holding
>>> tank.   No one is adding a hole on the companion way side of the mast, for
>>> access, and then putting a cover over the hole after the wires are run?
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Subject: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>> Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 13:53
>>>
>>>
>>>  That should work if there is enough room in the conduit and the wires
>>> are not wrapped all around each other, if you try make sure to really tape
>>> the messenger and the wires together very good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [
>>> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *littlebreeze at comcast.net
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2013 12:37 PM
>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No I didn't.  I'm learning more and more as I go along.  But I'm
>>> wondering if I can use one of the existing wires as a messenger?
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Subject: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>> Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 09:11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kerry, did they leave a messenger in your conduit when they rewired the
>>> mast?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [
>>> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *littlebreeze at comcast.net
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 9:43 AM
>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it was 30 year old wiring in the mast I wouldn't even ask the
>>> question.  The mast wiring is only six years old and was changed when the
>>> mast was pulled for painting.  But its still a valid answer.
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "cat38skip" <cat38skip at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Subject: [C38] Wiring the Mast
>>> Date: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 06:06
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kerry,
>>>
>>> We re-wired the entire mast, in place, last year, New masthead light and
>>> wires new steaming/deck light and wire, new VHF cable and antenna and
>>> re-strung the masthead wind transducer. We have a 1 1/2 inch hole near the
>>> bottom of the mast at cabin sole level. It was easy :-) . That is,  after
>>> the hard, frustrating hours and days of mistakes & re-re-re-pulling of the
>>> tangled wires and messenger strings. Once we sorted out the best messenger
>>> to use (weed eater 'string') it was a matter of having someone up top who
>>> was comfortable being there AND who knew what he was doing, 2-way
>>> communication and staging the sequence and materials. We replaced all the
>>> bulbs with LED's so the wire guage was reduced significantly. We used
>>> multi-wire cable to reduce tangles. The PO had installed all primary wire
>>> and it was a mess.
>>>
>>> Give me a call or we can get together ..
>>>
>>> Do you have someone to go uo there for you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from South San Francisco, where the wind never stops.
>>>
>>>
>>> littlebreeze at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy Fathers Day to the group.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of installing a wind speed indicator at the top of the
>>> mast.  However when I looked into accessing the existing wiring and PVC
>>> conduit, it looks to be an impossible task without pulling the mast.  Has
>>> anyone overcome this issue without pulling the mast?  The only way I can
>>> come up with is to cut a 3.5 inch hole in the starboard side of the mast
>>> approximately 6" from the bottom of the mast, and then, after making the
>>> appropriate connections, affix  a cover plate to the access hole.  Will
>>> this weaken the mast beyond use?  Should I just pull the mast?
>>>
>>> Kerry Grimes
>>> Little Breeze 139
>>> San Francisco
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