[C38] Cracks by Stem Fitting

Fri Sep 6 18:02:25 EDT 2013

Could be.  I might be up in San Francisco or Alameda this weekend.

Max - I understand you're staying up in Napa.  Let me know if you might be
down by the Bay and have some time to talk.

Thanks,

Ray
650 387-5905

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <
littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hey Max, Ray is in Redwood City, and your in the San Francisco area, I
> think a meeting is in order.
>
> Kerry
>
>
> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Max soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Subject: [C38] Cracks by Stem Fitting
> Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 14:06
>
>
> Hi Ray, also, please send me those pics.
>
> I have replaced my head stem a couple of times. When I bought Estancia 12
> years ago, there was a crack between the bolt in the bow, so I replaced it
> with the same 1/4", but didn't feel safe because the stainless was Chinese,
> so I replaced it a few years later with a 1/2" plate when the furler was
> installed.. So, I can say that I know that area pretty well..
>
> Right know I'm in the middle of replacing all the chainplates. Just
> replaced the two for the shrouds. When I get back to Costa Rica I'll start
> replacing the ones for the lowers..
> Cabinet will have to be disassemble, but that's the only way to go...
>
> Regards,
> Max Soto A.
> +506-8312-1367
> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Ray Torok <torok13731 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kerry.  Will do.     Ray
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <
> littlebreeze at comcast.net <littlebreeze at comcast..net>> wrote:
>
>> Ray, can you send photos to the email addresses of the guys who responded
>> to your post.  Don't sent them to the list serve.
>>
>> Kerry
>> Littlebreeze, 139
>>
>>
>> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ray Torok" <torok13731 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Subject: [C38] Cracks by Stem Fitting
>> Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 09:52
>>
>>
>> Chuck.  Ha!  You're one of those glass-is-half-full guys.  I hope you're
>> right.  Thanks again.
>>
>> Ray
>> Thira  #37
>> San Francisco
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Charles Finn <charles at finn.ws> wrote:
>>
>>>  Ray,
>>> It actually is quite common for the gelcoat to crack with no structural
>>> problems.  Gelcoat is very brittle, while laid up glass has a much greater
>>> modulus of elasticity (one of reasons it works so well in boatbuilding).
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Finn
>>> Mighty Quinn #114
>>> Great Lakes
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/6/2013 12:35 PM, Ray Torok wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Chuck,
>>>
>>>  I see no evidence of cracking inside the hull, so there is hope.
>>>  However, it's hard to understand how the glass up there can move enough to
>>> crack on the outside, without the crack extending into the glass.  You're
>>> right.  I need to get out the grinder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Charles Finn <charles at finn.ws> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Ray,
>>>> Obviously there is more to this as you just did some kind of repair for
>>>> some reason.  The best way to find if there is a problem is to discover
>>>> whether the cracks are superficial or structural.  Take a small grinder,
>>>> mototool, or even a screw driver and gouge the gelcoat out of the cracks.
>>>> IF the crack does not extend into the glass, you fix the gelcoat and call
>>>> it a day.  IF the crack extends into the glass, then you have a structural
>>>> repair which will require you to first cut out and then rebuild.   Here is
>>>> hoping this is superficial!
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Finn
>>>> Mighty Quinn  #114
>>>> Great Lakes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/6/2013 12:21 PM, Ray Torok wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>>  I have a backstay tensioner, but it's only on when we're sailing.
>>>>  When the boat's at the dock, the backstay is left on just enough to keep
>>>> the headstay from flopping around.
>>>>
>>>>  Latest theory is that when I replaced the two bolts that anchor the
>>>> stem fitting to the deck (a few weeks ago), there was enough slop in the
>>>> bolt holes that when the headstay was tensioned, the fiberglass in the deck
>>>> was loaded in compression until the stem fitting moved back just a little
>>>> to where the two bolts and the stainless stem fitting picked up the load
>>>> again. If that's what happened, the cracking in the fiberglass shouldn't
>>>> get any worse.  Does that sound believable?
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>  Ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Steve Smolinske <
>>>> SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Ray,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a backstay tensioner that is left on?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Ray Torok
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:56 PM
>>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>> *Subject:* [C38] Cracks by Stem Fitting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Esteemed C38 Gurus:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping you can help advise on my latest old boat issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some cracks showing up (and growing) on the outside of the hull
>>>>> in the few inches between the ends of the toe rails and the headstay stem
>>>>> fitting.  The cracks are horizontal and about 3 inches long. On one side
>>>>> the crack is about 1 inch below the deck.  On the other it is right at the
>>>>> edge of the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that the headstay load is pulling the bow upward, and the
>>>>> last few inches of the bow doesn't have the toe rail and bolted
>>>>> hull-to-deck joint of the rest of the boat, so it's bending a bit and the
>>>>> fiberglass is cracking. On the inside, the heavy stainless backing plate
>>>>> for the strap running down the stem also stops several inches short of the
>>>>> bow, and that may be a contributing factor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if this is a problem with the early boats (mine is hull
>>>>> #37) that they fixed at some point. Any thoughts on known or proposed fixes
>>>>> would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks much,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Torok
>>>>>
>>>>> THIRA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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