[C38] steering post leak

Tue Aug 26 14:37:34 EDT 2014

Every time I go to the Boat Show I stare at the roller bearings and one piece lip seal assembles they have on display from Jaffa(?).  By the time I replace the entire rudder tube, rudder, and then bearings and seals, my system doesn't seem so bad.  

Loyalty above all else, except Honor.  

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From: "Charles Finn" <charles at finn.ws>
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
Subject: [C38] steering post leak
Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 09:39
Mighty Quinn has the same problem!  I
consider this a design error when Butler changed our boat from
tiller to wheel.  I looked at installing a "boot" a while back but
gave up because of lack of room.  I also thought of glassing in a
grease fitting that would seal much like we used to do on prop
shafts and our fresh water pumps, but just have not gotten around
to it.  I find the problem on my boat is while I am underway,
especially with the motor as the boat settles aft as the prop
pushes.  Following seas can be a problem as well.

Probably the best solution for me on this was installing mylar
shims to deal with rudder post wear.  This significantly reduced
flow!

Right now, I am living with a wet bilge.

Chuck Finn

Mighty Quinn  #114 

Great Lakes

On 8/26/2014 11:56 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote:

Kerry,

What
they found is that the packing gland has worked its way up
the rudder post about 2 inches,  they are going to push it
back in place and fill and secure with epoxy, they didn’t
feel that there was any room for any other type of gland, we
have an autopilot arm attached just  under the radial drive
wheel.   

Steve

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Subject: Re: [C38] steering post leak

Steve
are you posting photos on your site, and are you considering
a different bearing packing gland system.

Kerry Grimes

Little Breeze, 139

Loyalty above all else, except Honor.  

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From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>

To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>

Subject: [C38] steering post leak

Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 07:34

Peregrine is in the yard having the
rudder packing gland deglassed to the tube.   Noticed last
time out that the packing gland rotated when the wheel was
turned.   Also bilge pump was going off every twenty
minutes.  

Steve Smolinske

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206 972 6297

On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "Michael Norcross" <manorcross at gmail.com>
wrote:

David's woes inspired me to peer into
the cavern..yes, water coming in thru the rudder seal and
at good clip under sail or motor.  Kicking myself, since I
just hauled the boat to do a serious job on the  bottom
(soda blast etc).  Below we go, water heater for sure is
the first obstacle. 

Mike

On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM,
David Stoltz wrote:

Thanks Max.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:44 AM, "Malcolm (Max)
Winter" <malcolmwmax at aol.com>
wrote:

The
rudder should be supported if you are going to
remove the bolts supporting the Quadrant as
well as the bolt at the post attachment to the
rudder. It would drop through if not
supported.

Max

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From: David Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net>

To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>

Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 6:06 pm

Subject: Re: [C38] steering post leak

Hi
Mark,

Thanks
for getting back to me. Does the boat
have to be hauled, or can I do it with
the boat in the water? Will the rudder
drop if I remove the 3 nuts at the top

of
the rudder post?

Thanks,

David

On
Aug 19, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Mixed
Business wrote:

The
only way to access the the
quadrant and post and cables is
through the quarter berth access.
Get all the ratchet extensions you
have and a breaker bar to get the
quadrant loose. Seriously like All
the extensions you have. One guy
working in the quarter berth on
his stomach and another in the
sail locker in the engine access. 

Too
me and two others 4 hours to break
it all loose... UNdo the cables
and drop the rudder. 

Have
fun. 

Mark

Momentous
230

Balt. 

On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:06 PM, David
Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net>
wrote:

Hi
Steve,

I
finally got around to dealing
with the rudder post this
weekend and discovered that
there does not seem to be a
way to access it, except from
below deck.

I
removed the floor form the
rear lazaret thinking I could
get to it that way...wrong
(see photo). Also checked
under the both cockpit benches
for possible

access.
Any suggestions?

Also,
when I removed the rear
lazaret floorboard I
discovered a copper strip (see
photo) that did not seem to
connect to anything on either
end, but that could be because
of corrosion. Is this
something that needs to be
replaced and if so, does it
connect to anything?

Thanks
very much.

Best,

David

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On
Jul 27, 2014, at 7:04 PM, S
Orton wrote:

David,  First look at the
top of the gland and see
if the gland can be
tighten- should be 3 nuts.
If the gland is bottomed
out, just add another ring
of packing- 5/16" I
believe.  This is the hard
part, as you have to
completely back off the
three nuts (or bolts?) pry
up the gland  cap, and put
in another ring of packing
into the stuffing box,
and tighten up the cap.
When I say a ring of
packing, I mean a linear
piece of packing formed
tightly around the rudder
post and spliced together
with a 45 degree cut.  You
are not removing the
rudder post cap at the aft
locker, so you don't need
to worry about dropping
your rudder and the upper
part of the gland you are
working on is above the
water line.  

Good
luck and as everyone
will agree, this job is
a bitch.  Steve O (#304)

>
From: sportscinema at earthlink.net

> Date: Sun, 27 Jul
2014 12:12:26 -0700

> To: listserve at catalina38.org

> Subject: [C38]
steering post leak

> 

> 

> Hi all, noticed
more water than usual
in the bilge after a
round trip to
Catalina. Discovered
yesterday that it's
coming in from the top
of the rudder post

> when under power.

> 

> Questions;

> 

> Is there a
packing in there that
can be replaced?

> If so, how do I
access it?

> Is this something
I can do with the boat
in the water?

> 

> Thanks, always
appreciate all your
help.

> 

> David Stoltz

> Andiamo #297

> MDR, CA

> 

> 

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