[C38] steering post leak. My experience
Steve Smolinske
SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
Mon Nov 17 16:25:45 EST 2014
In the next issue of mainsheets there should be an article about the
steering gland and packing, didn't make it into the last one for some
reason
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David Stoltz
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [C38] steering post leak. My experience
Hi Max, thanks. Keep an eye out I'm going to put some information up in
the next day or 2 that might be helpful.
On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Max soto wrote:
Hi David, good to know that everything went out ok with the
installation.. Thanks for the info about the 3/8" packing. Will give it
a try at that size next month!
Regards,
Max Soto A.
+506-8312-1367
Alajuela, Costa Rica
On Nov 16, 2014, at 20:52, David Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net>
wrote:
Hi Max,
Finally finished the replacement of the steering post packing
and Edson told me it's 3/8ths., so that's what I went with. They said
it's the only size they have ever used.
Best,
David
On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Max soto wrote:
Hi Don and David,
Don, I have seen a pic of Discrete Charm's packing gland, and is
different than the one that David should have on his boat. The Edson
that David has can only take one strip (if I'm not mistaken), but the
procedure is exactly the same...
David, I think that the right measure should be 1/4".. 3/8
fits, but the gland will press it against the bottom of the gland
instead of compressing it against the rudder post.. At least, this was
the experience I had on my boat....
Regards,
Max Soto A.
+506-8312-1367
Alajuela, Costa Rica
On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Donald Strong
<drstrong at ucdavis.edu> wrote:
David:
I failed twice at getting the packing right. Do not
compress, twist or roll the packing material.
1. Cut the ends at an angle so the material is the exact
length, which you can get by coiling the packing strip around the rudder
post and cutting diagonally with a razor blade.
2. Make 3 strips as per 1 above.
3. Make an implement out of a tube with the exact
interior diameter of the rudder post. Thickness of this device should be
just shy of the width of the packing material and the interior diameter
of the gland. Implement should be a couple of inches long
Cut this implement longitudinally into two halves. I
used a thin pvc pipe, I think (or brass tube that I found in the
dumpster on the dock)?
4. Wrap the first exactly cut length of packing material
around the rudder post. Make sure the ends match perfectly. Ease it down
as far as you can get it with your fingers. put some grease on the
rudder post so the material will slide.
Place the implement around the rudder post above the
packing material. Tape the halves of the implement together.
5. Tap gently around the top edge of the implement until
the packing material disappears into the gland.
6. Repeat with the other two, offsetting the cut by 120
degrees.
My success has been dry for 6 years.
Good luck, Don
n 8/27/14 6:35 PM, David Stoltz wrote:
Hopefully this is are the last question I will
ever have about the rudder post packing gland because this job is a
BITCH...
Any suggestions on fitting the new packing into
to the recessed ares of the gland?
It's 3/8" and a very tight fit. I was thinking
about rolling it slightly to make it a bit thinner. Good or bad idea???
Thanks very much.
On Aug 25, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Steve Smolinske
wrote:
Peregrine is in the yard having the rudder
packing gland deglassed to the tube. Noticed last time out that the
packing gland rotated when the wheel was turned. Also bilge pump was
going off every twenty minutes.
Steve Smolinske
Sent from my iPhone
206 972 6297
On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "Michael Norcross"
<manorcross at gmail.com> wrote:
David's woes inspired me to peer into
the cavern..yes, water coming in thru the rudder seal and at good clip
under sail or motor. Kicking myself, since I just hauled the boat to do
a serious job on the bottom (soda blast etc). Below we go, water
heater for sure is the first obstacle.
Mike
On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM, David
Stoltz wrote:
Thanks Max.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:44 AM, "Malcolm
(Max) Winter" <malcolmwmax at aol.com> wrote:
The rudder should be supported if you
are going to remove the bolts supporting the Quadrant as well as the
bolt at the post attachment to the rudder. It would drop through if not
supported.
Max
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Subject: Re: [C38] steering post leak
Hi Mark,
Thanks for getting back to me. Does the
boat have to be hauled, or can I do it with the boat in the water? Will
the rudder drop if I remove the 3 nuts at the top
of the rudder post?
Thanks,
David
On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Mixed
Business wrote:
The only way to access the the quadrant
and post and cables is through the quarter berth access. Get all the
ratchet extensions you have and a breaker bar to get the quadrant loose.
Seriously like All the extensions you have. One guy working in the
quarter berth on his stomach and another in the sail locker in the
engine access.
Too me and two others 4 hours to break
it all loose... UNdo the cables and drop the rudder.
Have fun.
Mark
Momentous 230
Balt.
On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:06 PM, David
Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I finally got around to dealing with the
rudder post this weekend and discovered that there does not seem to be a
way to access it, except from below deck.
I removed the floor form the rear
lazaret thinking I could get to it that way...wrong (see photo). Also
checked under the both cockpit benches for possible
access. Any suggestions?
Also, when I removed the rear lazaret
floorboard I discovered a copper strip (see photo) that did not seem to
connect to anything on either end, but that could be because of
corrosion. Is this something that needs to be replaced and if so, does
it connect to anything?
Thanks very much.
Best,
David
<photo 1.JPG>
On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:04 PM, S Orton
wrote:
David, First look at the top of the
gland and see if the gland can be tighten- should be 3 nuts. If the
gland is bottomed out, just add another ring of packing- 5/16" I
believe. This is the hard part, as you have to completely back off the
three nuts (or bolts?) pry up the gland cap, and put in another ring of
packing into the stuffing box, and tighten up the cap. When I say a
ring of packing, I mean a linear piece of packing formed tightly around
the rudder post and spliced together with a 45 degree cut. You are not
removing the rudder post cap at the aft locker, so you don't need to
worry about dropping your rudder and the upper part of the gland you are
working on is above the water line.
Good luck and as everyone will agree,
this job is a bitch. Steve O (#304)
> From: sportscinema at earthlink.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:12:26 -0700
> To: listserve at catalina38.org
> Subject: [C38] steering post leak
>
>
> Hi all, noticed more water than usual
in the bilge after a round trip to Catalina. Discovered yesterday that
it's coming in from the top of the rudder post
> when under power.
>
> Questions;
>
> Is there a packing in there that can
be replaced?
> If so, how do I access it?
> Is this something I can do with the
boat in the water?
>
> Thanks, always appreciate all your
help.
>
> David Stoltz
> Andiamo #297
> MDR, CA
>
>
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