[C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have paid (twice by mistake) still can't log on

Wed Jan 27 19:11:50 EST 2016

Hi All!

Agreed. And, thank you Chuck, for standing in there in this situation, and
to those that have given time to this organization, past and present. WE
all are responsible for the health of our fleet, and by and large we're
doing Okay.

That said, this situation does raise the question about the best [for a
group of our characteristics] vehicle for continuing our communication in
the future?

I'm not well versed in this area, it may be that the listserv is "it" or
maybe something else. Either way, technology continues to advance and we
will want access the information herein for a long time to come.

So the follow up question is,...or are:

Is there someone in the group that could speak to the subject, at least
conceptually? And,

Is there someone outside the group that could advise us... Perhaps being
funded from our dues account balance?

And finally, Is this the time to discuss it?

I'm not really pushing the agenda, this all just came to mind, so I thought
I'd put it out there...for what it's worth.

Thank you again to those that have served, the effort is appreciated.
Steve

Steven Ribble
s/v Tittravate
        C-38 #64
207 852-0971
On Jan 27, 2016 5:41 PM, <dickkilroy at comcast.net> wrote:

> Well said David, if your not positive at least be quiet. And as others
> have said, thanks Charles F.
> Dick
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"David Epstein" <davidepstein at earthlink.net>
> *To: *"Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>, "Catalina 38
> Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:34:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have paid
>  (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>
> Garth,
>
> I think a little context is in order here.   The C38 association is a
> small organization, made up mostly of people who own (or have owned) C38s
> and want to be in relationship with other C38 owners.   Everyone who is has
> a role in the association is a volunteer, and in most cases are amateurs in
> the areas they are contributing.   No one makes any money from the
> association or any of its activities, in fact, members and leaders often
> make expense contributions in addition to paying their dues.   Not to
> mention that most, if not all, have jobs, families and boats to maintain.
>
> Charles has been donating his time and efforts for a number of years,
> again for no personal or financial gain.  Yes, there have been issues with
> the web site and the listserve from time to time, but he always does his
> best to address them as timely as he can.  Overall, I would say he has done
> a very good job, and has had a great attitude, despite his having
> volunteered in many ways, and with few thanks.
>
> The dues that are paid are not for the web site, list serve or any
> specific benefit, but rather are a way for the members to share in the hard
> costs that are necessities of the organization.
>
> The association and its members have been invaluable to many of us in a
> number of ways.   The ability to connect with other owners to ask questions
> about repairs, modifications, parts, rigging and even best sailing or
> racing practices is priceless.  The archived postings allow members to
> research information and tips in minutes, finding answers that are specific
> to C38 boats.  The C38 literature, manuals and documentation on the web
> site is great.  It is not uncommon for members to send parts and equipment
> to each other, or even to get together to help each other out.   We have
> facilitated regattas and cruises in many places across the country over the
> years.  Members have sailed with each other and/or helped each other to
> improve their sailing and racing abilities.
>
> I would suggest that instead of being critical of the technology, our
> association and/or our volunteers' prowess, perhaps you might consider how
> you can be an active participant in the community and how specifically you
> can help out.  If you have expertise in better member communication
> technologies, why not offer to make that contribution.  I am sure that
> Charles and the other members would appreciate any help and improvements
> you can contribute.
>
> Sorry for the long winded message, but I think it is important for all of
> us to have some perspective on the association, its volunteers, and their
> selfless contributions to all of us.   And I, for one, would like to thank
> Charles and the others who now serve, or have been of service in the past.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> David Epstein
> Marina del Rey, CA
>
>
>
> At 08:15 AM 1/27/2016, Garth Birdsey wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>   I was never able to open this attachment, never had access to the
> website OR the past listserve discussions.  All I could ever see was the
> active comments.
>
>
>    All I did was ask for a refund, that does NOT make be the bad guy.  I
> didn't mean to make my comments about the website public.  I made the
> incorrect assumption that Chuck's email conversation with me was only
> between he and I.   Although I regret making my comments about the
> management of the site and listserve public I will stand by those
> statements!
>
>
>   If you are satisfied using listserve more power to you.  Do you realize
> how antiquated this method of communication is in today's electronic world?
>
>
>
> https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/
>
>
> [image: []]
> <https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/>
> 4 Reasons to Ditch Your Listserv - GovDelivery
> <https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/>
> www.govdelivery.com
> 4 Reasons to Ditch Your Listserv. 2014/04/21 ; by Kelsey Lund;
> Communicating important information to stakeholders is a huge
> responsibility for public sector ...
>
>
> Garth
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Listserve <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org> on behalf of Greg S.
> Hart <ghart at follysbestrentals.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:19 AM
> *To:* 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have paid
> (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>
>
> Charles,
>
>
>
> Thank you for trying to reasonably explain the situation and for
> volunteering your time.
>
>
>
> Patrick I could not agree more.
>
>
>
> Greg S. Hart
>
> S/V Folly�s Best
>
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
> *From:* Patrick [ mailto:1derful at comcast.net <1derful at comcast.net>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:54 AM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have paid
> (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>
>
>
> Sounds like a guy we can do without
>
> Patrick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Garth Birdsey <garthbirdsey at hotmail.com >
> wrote:
>
> Hello Charles,
>
>
>
>   I have never been able to access the website.  The have been unable to
> open a search on the listserve and the information that I am seeing is only
> of a generic nature.   I have been on many owners websites and
> organizations and I can tell you that the Catalina38.org
> <http://catalina38.org/> is by far the most poorly run site I have ever
> seen.
>
>
>
> I have escalated both of my payments through Paypal to a dispute status
> and have asked for a refund for both payments.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Garth
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Listserve < listserve-bounces at catalina38.org> on behalf of Charles
> Finn <Charles at finn.ws>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:20 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve; Cat 38, Robert
> Subject: Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have paid
> (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>
>
>
> Garth,
> I am a bit confused.  I got you into the listserve and I know you were
> sent a login password.....  And I sent an email to our Treasurer to have
> him send you a check (as promised) for your mistake regarding double paying
> of dues.....  But, you then sent a message to the listserve (a member only
> benefit) that you could not log in  AND you sent Paypal a  notice that you
> have a dispute and have escalated it to a claim.
> Please clarify what you are doing here.  If your intention is to leave the
> Association we will be happy to remove you from the listserve, send the
> check I promised and erase what you are contesting.  This has never
> happened before and as I told you on the phone, we are all volunteers who
> give our time to the organization and respond as best we can.  If your
> expectations for service diffesr from what we are willing to provide, we
> certainly don't want to keep an unhappy member.
> Regards,
> cf
>
> On 1/24/2016 7:15 AM, Garth Birdsey wrote:
>
> Please help me get logged on.
>
>
>
> Garth Birdsey
>
>
>
>
>
>
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