[C38] Refrigeration compressor location

Tue Sep 14 12:39:03 EDT 2021

Max: One of the things that I did on Daswhen I installed in Adler Barber vertical evaporator in the ice chest was add a muffin fan in order to circulate the air

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> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Rod and Patti Headlee <ja38 at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> From: Max soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Nov 19, 2020 4:09 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [C38] Refrigeration compressor location
>> Thanks Steve, that’s very good info.  Hope you can find those pics. Those gauges sound like a really good idea.  
>> Regards,
>> Max Soto A.
>> +506-8312-1367
>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>> On Nov 19, 2020, at 13:15, Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> wrote:
>>> Max,   
>>> As I remember they were just bolted and screwed, the more difficult part was the disassembly of the cabinets in the galley which had to come out in order to get the counter tops removed. In addition to the icebox upgrade I took the time to install new laminate on the counter tops and it was just so much easier to remove them and put them on a couple of saw horses than trying to do it with them in place.    Once all that was removed it was very easy to also remove the aft bulkhead separating the galley from the storage locker in order to varnish it as well.   
>>> I am not sure on the time for an cold plate vs evaporator to cool down, I like the cold plate because once it is to temp.  the compressor is not running its like having a block of ice.  I also included which is not shown  in the pictures two ice box temperature gauges so that I could see the temp for the tow zones inside the box without opening to check.  That feature made my wife very happy.    I would typically chill the box to temp.  and turn off the unit then turn it back on when motoring or when it needed to be cooled.  Ill check tonight if I have pictures of the thermometers and gauges installed.   
>>> Steve    
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>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Refrigeration compressor location
>>> Phil, that shelf sounds like a good idea, that way I’ll still end up with some room next to the starting battery.
>>> Steve, wow!that was a hell of a job! How hard it was to remove the counter tops? Were they glued, or just bolted from below?
>>> How long it takes for a cold plate to get the ice box to the right temp? Much difference between a regular evaporator?
>>> Max Soto A.
>>> +506-8312-1367
>>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>> On Nov 18, 2020, at 21:41, Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree with all that Chuck said, when I did Peregrine I put in a cold plate and insulated the ice box all around.  I put thicker insulation inside the box near the engine and then covered all of the insulation with plain white panels.   Insulated the engine for sound and as Chuck mentioned it was a huge and pleasurable difference.  The one area sound still escaped was aft of the fuel tank and into the engine compartment but the reduction in noise with that opening was still considerable.   For the compressor I installed it on the shelf in the port cockpit locker near the start battery and fabricated a guard to protect it from shifting gear.    Attached picture shows the ice box upgrade.   
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>>>> Charles Finn
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 7:59 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Refrigeration compressor location
>>>> I installed a Dometic/Norcold fridge from Defender back in 2007. Cut out part of the icebox space next to the engine wall and the unit just fit in with room to put a layer of real insulation (sound down) on the engine wall.  I was shocked to discover the original insulation had long ago deteriorated into dust and my ice box was being heated by the engine!!!  I have 200 watts of solar and am able to turn the fridge on in the spring and off in the fall with cold food and even some ice cubes.
>>>> If you are going to cool the icebox...  you will first need to insulate it!  My thought was to insulate inside the box and then finish inside with plastic shower panels (don't forget to put a drain in).   I would also go with the cold plate even though it is a bit more.
>>>> Location for the compressor is also a challenge.   First and best location is in the sail locker, but it gets warm if there if you have not insulated your engine compartment.  After finally getting around to installing the Sound Down this year...  I have to say this was one of the dumbest things that I didn't do for years! You cannot believe how much nicer it is in the cabin and cockpit underway with the insulation!!!
>>>> Second location is under the sink location or under the port settee, but as we know this is the wet side of the bilge and that can be a problem.
>>>> It is also a bit noisy in the cabin at night.
>>>> IF I was to do this again... I would go with the conversion of the icebox with the cold plate.  A bit more work, but I think a better long run solution.  On the other hand, installing the fridge only required a sawsall and and afternoon!
>>>> Let us know how it turns out!
>>>> Chuck Finn
>>>> Mighty Quinn  #114
>>>> Lake Superior
>>>>>> On 11/17/2020 10:17 PM, Max soto wrote:
>>>>> Planning to install a refrigeration system soon.  Would like to know which are the most common places were compressors are installed on other 38s.   So far my two options are: on the shelf inside the sail locker (available on 1980 and later models), or below the sink.
>>>>> Pics would help!
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Max Soto A.
>>>>> C38 Estancia #198
>>>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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> Hi Max,
> We put our compressor on Joint Adventure outside in the locker behind the refer. I built a little platform to set it on.
> Rod Headlee
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