[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70
Alden Andre
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Wed Jul 11 14:50:21 EDT 2007
Another thought , do you have a water heater installed with the system? My
30 and 38 does and you have to burp the system to get the air out or you
will have over heat problems as stated. I would check this first especially
if you have drained the system and replaced the coolant. If you need
directions I can fax them to you.
Alden Andre
Vice Commadore
Columbia River All Catalinal Association
C-38 FLYBYE
503-929-8814
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1. engine temp (William Knowles)
2. Re: engine temp (RICHARD KILROY)
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4. Re: engine temp (Tom T.)
5. Re: engine temp (Bill King)
6. Re: engine temp (RICHARD KILROY)
7. Re: engine temp (Craig Steinkraus)
8. Re: engine temp (William Knowles)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [C38] engine temp
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What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
Bill Knowles Flying Goose
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:15:39 -0400
From: "RICHARD KILROY" <dickkilroy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Bill: yes you can bypass the incomming filter as it is probably a sea
strainer (make sure ). Also somewhere on the web page there was and may
still be instructions for replumping the salt water side for better flow.
Also a newer saltwater pump is available to replace the original and moves
more gallons a minute.
Dick
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From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: [C38] engine temp
> What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
> new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
>
> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Thanks Richard this is only our second season with
this boat. We mostly day sailed her last year as we
made many improvements. Still alot to llearn.
Bill
--- RICHARD KILROY <dickkilroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> Bill: yes you can bypass the incomming filter as it
> is probably a sea
> strainer (make sure ). Also somewhere on the web
> page there was and may
> still be instructions for replumping the salt water
> side for better flow.
> Also a newer saltwater pump is available to replace
> the original and moves
> more gallons a minute.
>
>
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
> To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
> Subject: [C38] engine temp
>
>
> > What is the normal operating temp for our
> unervisal
> > engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100
> rpm
> > and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is
> this
> > normal? We are pumping water and the impeller
> looks
> > new. Would like to know your thoughts before
> calling
> > in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> > filter as I could not get the plastic cover off
> and
> > did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass
> the
> > filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your
> help.
> >
> > Bill Knowles Flying Goose
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:33:54 -0400
From: "Tom T." <tdtron at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Hello Bill,
The older Universal engines were famous for overheating with the original
2" diameter heat exchangers.
I have a weld shop and fabricated a larger heat exchanger from 3" hard
copper instead of the original 2" diameter. I used basically the same
length as the original exchanger but was able to get about twice the number
of cooling tubes installed in the larger diameter pipe doubling my cooling
capacity.
My boat sails the Tampa Bay area which is some of the warmest cruising
water in the USA Since I installed the new heat exchanger, my engine stays
at about 200 degrees which is the thermostat temperature. I've motored
against the tide on hot windless days and at full throttle my engine will
not overheat now.
I had chartered an old O'Day some years back and it had the Universal 5424
as my Catalina 38 does. The charter company told us not to exceed 2,200
RPM or the engine would overheat. That was back in the mid '80s but was my
first introduction to the Universal engines overheating problem.
As one final thought, any heat exchanger should be connected with reverse
flow of the liquid hoses. In other words, the coolant water should go in
an opposite direction as the raw water. If the liquids travel in the same
direction the efficiency of the exchanger is greatly reduced. As old as
our boats are, there is a chance that the hoses could have been reconnected
in the wrong fashion making the small, inadequate heat exchanger an even
worse problem.
Tom Troncalli
The Renata, Hull 95, St. Pete Florida
> [Original Message]
> From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
> To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Date: 7/10/2007 2:54:36 PM
> Subject: [C38] engine temp
>
> What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
> new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
>
> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:40:33 -0700
From: "Bill King" <wcking1 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Bill,
When was the last time you cleaned out the heat exchanger? You should do
this every couple of years. Take it off and remove the end plate. Soak it
in a 50/50 solution of muratic acid and water for about 30 minutes. Take a
coat hanger and run it through the tubes, then flush everything with fresh
water. Make sure there is no broken zinc pieces plugging things up.
Engine should run at 165 - 180 degrees. Other things to check would be the
raw water inlet & pump and the thermostat.
You should also change the coolant in the fresh water system every 100 hours
or so.
Bill King
Island Starr, Dana Pt. CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:54 AM
Subject: [C38] engine temp
> What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
> new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
>
> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:10:20 -0400
From: "RICHARD KILROY" <dickkilroy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Bill: You didn't say where you are but I assume Calif, so giving you the
Universal wholesaler name here in Massachusetts won"t do you any good. I
second the comments about cleaning the heat exchanger, make sure you get a
new set of seals for this before starting. Also the original salt water pump
is an Oberdorffer(spelling?) and the replacement one I got because the
original was leaking at the shaft is the higher capacity Sherwood pump
Good Luck
Dick----- Original Message -----
From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: [C38] engine temp
> What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
> new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
>
> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:11:36 -0500
From: "Craig Steinkraus" <Navion at Charter.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Here is an interesting article on the overheating of the Universal.
http://www.sankaty.homestead.com/waterheatercircuituniversal5432.html
Craig Steinkraus
"Wings" C-38 # 280
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From: "RICHARD KILROY" <dickkilroy at verizon.net>
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
> Bill: You didn't say where you are but I assume Calif, so giving you the
> Universal wholesaler name here in Massachusetts won"t do you any good. I
> second the comments about cleaning the heat exchanger, make sure you get a
> new set of seals for this before starting. Also the original salt water
> pump
> is an Oberdorffer(spelling?) and the replacement one I got because the
> original was leaking at the shaft is the higher capacity Sherwood pump
>
> Good Luck
>
> Dick----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
> To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
> Subject: [C38] engine temp
>
>
>> What is the normal operating temp for our unervisal
>> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100 rpm
>> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is this
>> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller looks
>> new. Would like to know your thoughts before calling
>> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
>> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off and
>> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass the
>> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your help.
>>
>> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Richard I am on the east coast in the Chesapeke at
Rock Hall Maryland,
--- RICHARD KILROY <dickkilroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> Bill: You didn't say where you are but I assume
> Calif, so giving you the
> Universal wholesaler name here in Massachusetts
> won"t do you any good. I
> second the comments about cleaning the heat
> exchanger, make sure you get a
> new set of seals for this before starting. Also the
> original salt water pump
> is an Oberdorffer(spelling?) and the replacement one
> I got because the
> original was leaking at the shaft is the higher
> capacity Sherwood pump
>
> Good Luck
>
> Dick----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Knowles" <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
> To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
> Subject: [C38] engine temp
>
>
> > What is the normal operating temp for our
> unervisal
> > engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100
> rpm
> > and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is
> this
> > normal? We are pumping water and the impeller
> looks
> > new. Would like to know your thoughts before
> calling
> > in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> > filter as I could not get the plastic cover off
> and
> > did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass
> the
> > filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your
> help.
> >
> > Bill Knowles Flying Goose
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Knowles <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
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Richard; I live in Delaware and my boat is docked in
Rock Hall Maryland There is probably a distributor in
Annapolis everything else seems to be there. Thanks
for your help.
Bill
--- Craig Steinkraus <Navion at Charter.net> wrote:
> Here is an interesting article on the overheating of
> the Universal.
>
>
http://www.sankaty.homestead.com/waterheatercircuituniversal5432.html
>
> Craig Steinkraus
> "Wings" C-38 # 280
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RICHARD KILROY" <dickkilroy at verizon.net>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve"
> <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] engine temp
>
>
> > Bill: You didn't say where you are but I assume
> Calif, so giving you the
> > Universal wholesaler name here in Massachusetts
> won"t do you any good. I
> > second the comments about cleaning the heat
> exchanger, make sure you get a
> > new set of seals for this before starting. Also
> the original salt water
> > pump
> > is an Oberdorffer(spelling?) and the replacement
> one I got because the
> > original was leaking at the shaft is the higher
> capacity Sherwood pump
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Dick----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Knowles"
> <william_k_19810 at yahoo.com>
> > To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:54 PM
> > Subject: [C38] engine temp
> >
> >
> >> What is the normal operating temp for our
> unervisal
> >> engine? Last weekend I was running @ 1800 to 2100
> rpm
> >> and engine slowly crept up to 210 to 225 f. Is
> this
> >> normal? We are pumping water and the impeller
> looks
> >> new. Would like to know your thoughts before
> calling
> >> in the engine guys. I did not check the incoming
> >> filter as I could not get the plastic cover off
> and
> >> did want to break it away from home. Can I bypass
> the
> >> filter if I have to. Thanks in advance fior your
> help.
> >>
> >> Bill Knowles Flying Goose
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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> >> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
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