[C38] alden spreaders

Thu May 8 12:35:09 EDT 2008

Greatly appreciated,  Thanks.   

ssmolinske at rainierrubber.com

Steve 

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Steve I can take pictures for you since I have the original spreaders in
my garage because I replaced them with a new style from lefiell. Send me
an email and I will label and send pics

Alden Andre
FJ44 Retrofit Sales Manager
Clifford Development Group
Office: 877-550-FJ44(3544) or 503-618-1951
Cell: 503-929-8814
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Bedding Shrouds (Steve Smolinske)
   2. Spreaders (Steve Smolinske)
   3. Re: Bedding Shrouds (Les)
   4. Re: Spreaders (Bob Porter)
   5. Re: alden andre flybye blog (alden Andre)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:33:53 -0700
From: Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds
To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
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Phil,

Since my mast was down for work, I took off all the deck plates and
cleaned out the openings until I saw the chain plates removing all of
the previously applied silicone until the cut outs were as clean as I
could get them.  Then I used my caulk gun and a tube of 4200 to fill the
openings, then using a piece of copper wire I "stirred" and poked as
best I could to remove any pockets and air bubbles.  After satisfied
with that I put a liberal amount on the deck and topped off the openings
before resseting the deck plates and slowly squeezed all the excess out
the sides and around the portion of the chain plate sticking above the
deck as i tightened down the screws then lastly cleaning up the excess.
I did this for all 6 chain plates.  Just had a horrible thought for you
to think about:  Is it possible the leak is originating somewhere else
on the deck or a port and migrating until it hits the chain plate then
coming out inside the cabinet?    

Steve
Peregrine #312

From: Phil Gay
Sent: Wed 5/7/2008 2:09 PM
To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds

Steve,

Which chainplates did you rebed?  Did you remove the chainplate or the
deck cover?  I used  a polysulfide sealant on my aft lower shroud
chainplates and have had no success in stopping a leak around the
inboard of the two bolts which hold the chainplate weldment to the deck.
How hard do you think it would be to seal around a  bolt head?
Apparently I haven't gotten it right even though I allowed it to harden
before torqueing the nut down.  I would have liked to have been able to
remove the chainplate and completely inspect it but it looks like one
would need to take the cabinet apart to get at it.

I think I will try the 4200.

Phil Gay
C38 049 Que Linda
Everett, WA (where it is raining as I write)

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Rick,

I just did mine on Peregrine and used 3M 4200, so that in the future it
could easily be dug out and redone when the time comes.  Has been
working great for the last two months and we have had lots of rain. 

Steve
Peregrine #312

From: Rick Swensson
Sent: Wed 5/7/2008 11:54 AM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: [C38] Bedding Shrouds
A while back someone mentioned re-bedding the chain plates.  Was there a
consensus on what to use?  I seem to recall it was marine epoxy but
don't remember which one.  Any thoughts?

Rascal has stains on the bulkheads from water leaks but no structural
problems.  Also some of the bolts through the cabin top leak as well.
Fortunately in SoCal we don't get much rain but the moisture from fog
drips through as well.

Rick  Swensson
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:39:49 -0700
From: Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
Subject: [C38] Spreaders
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I just got a call from the boat yard working on my mast and they told me
that it looks like they need yet another day to correct the previously
incorrect spreader installation.   They said that the aft edge of the
foil was installed pointing forward.  I dont have any good pictures of
the spreaders but the ones I do have and my memory seem to tell me that
the spreaders are symetrical in shape and do not have a leading and
trailing edge design.  Any comments or wisdom?  I find it hard to
believe Catalina didnt know how to install spreaders.  Thanks. 

Steve
Peregrine #312
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:29:04 -0700
From: Les <hlhowell at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds
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On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:54 -0700, Rick Swensson wrote:
> A while back someone mentioned re-bedding the chain plates.  Was there

> a consensus on what to use?  I seem to recall it was marine epoxy but 
> don't remember which one.  Any thoughts?
>  
> Rascal has stains on the bulkheads from water leaks but no structural 
> problems.  Also some of the bolts through the cabin top leak as well.
> Fortunately in SoCal we don't get much rain but the moisture from fog 
> drips through as well.
>  
> Rick  Swensson

If you are discussing the mounting of the chainplates, then you need to
look at the loads, and you will see that they require substantial
backing.  On our boats the mids and uppers tie to a bar which is
fastened via stainless rods (in the hanging locker on starboar) to
spread the load.  On the port they tie inot the head bulkhead.  And
epoxying the areas to prevent rot and to help ensure the strain is
handled is OK. 

At the deck pass through, though, the chain plate ends are unsupported,
and shrouds alternately receive the heavy load on the windward side and
release on the leeward so they tend to flex.  Using expoy is doomed to
fail, because of this flexing.  Use silicon caulk, such as Sikaflex or
Life caulk around the deck plates to prevent leakage and allow flex
without cracking.

Regards,
Les H

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:52:13 -0400
From: "Bob Porter" <hiawatha at localnet.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] Spreaders
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
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Hi Steve;

My spreaders are airfoil shaped. The blunt edge goes forward, like an
airplane wing.

Bob Porter
Hiawatha Hul #247
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  Subject: [C38] Spreaders

  I just got a call from the boat yard working on my mast and they told
me that it looks like they need yet another day to correct the
previously incorrect spreader installation.   They said that the aft
edge of the foil was installed pointing forward.  I dont have any good
pictures of the spreaders but the ones I do have and my memory seem to
tell me that the spreaders are symetrical in shape and do not have a
leading and trailing edge design.  Any comments or wisdom?  I find it
hard to believe Catalina didnt know how to install spreaders.  Thanks. 

  Steve
  Peregrine #312 

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Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:39:25 -0400
From: "alden Andre" <alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com>
Subject: Re: [C38] alden andre flybye blog
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Alright so I tried this blog thingy and am still trying to figure it out
but attached is my first attempt. Once I get the hang of it I will post
all the mods I have done to flybye since I have purchased her to years
ago.

http://flyebye.blogspot.com

Alden Andre
Office: 877-550-FJ44(3544) or 503-618-1951
Cell: 503-929-8814
Fax: 503-907-5507
Email : alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com, or alden642 at comcast.net

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   1. Re: Blog (Charles)
   2. Re: Blog (DRS)

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Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:25:28 -0400
From: Charles <charles at finn.ws>
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It appears there are a number of our member who have developed blogs, 
which could be of interest to the rest of us. If you would like to have 
your blog site posted on our website, please email me and I will create 
a page with those links (chas at finn.ws).

Charles Finn
C38 Webmaster
Mighty Quinn #114

Phil Gay wrote:
>
> You have some nice photos on your blog. I especially like the 
> ?Catalina 38? lettering on the side near the aft end of the boat. My 
> original plastic logo fell off long ago and I have been wondering what

> would look good. Everything on your boat looks top notch.
>
> Phil Gay
>
> C38 049 Que Linda
>
> Everett, WA
>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org 
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
> *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 11:30 AM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Blog
>
> Hi,
>
> Just in case, I'm working on these two blogs:
>
> http://www.svestancia.blogspot.com/
http://sailblogs.com/member/estancia/
>
> Te first one is has some pics. The second one needs some more work
>
> Regards,
>
> Max
>
> 2008/5/3, Kerry Grimes <littlebreeze at comcast.net 
> <mailto:littlebreeze at comcast.net>>:
>
> Steve
>
> You blog is great. I tried to leave a comment but it didn't like me.
> Your yard and you have done a lot for nice things to your boat. She
> looks great.
>
> Kerry Grimes
> Little Breeze, 139
> San Francisco
>
> Steve Smolinske wrote:
> > I took Max's lead and created a blog for our boat for anyone
> > interested it is http://www.peregrine-cat38.blogspot.com/ If anyone
> > else has a blog or website I would love to look at your projects to
> > get ideas for our boat. As usually is the case the mast was
> > supposed to be stepped today BUT they needed another day,,,,,,why
cant
> > this type of thing ever happen on a Tuesday or Wednesday why is it
> > always on Friday they need another day? Grrrr. Of course on Monday I
> > have work related business and won't be able to pick up the boat
until
> > Tuesday. Then its time for shakedowns and projects to get ready to
> > head to Barkley Sound on the West side of Vancouver Island in July.
> >
> > Steve
> > Peregrine #312
> >
> >
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> > *From:* david at dlrfilms.com <mailto:david at dlrfilms.com>
> > *Sent:* Fri 5/2/2008 2:01 PM
> > *To:* drstrong at ucdavis.edu <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>; Catalina 
> 38 Listserve
> > *Subject:* Re: [C38] Lazy Jack
> >
> > Photos! Parts list!
> >
> > > Max: Lazy jacks are very useful on C38s for shorthanded sailing! I

> built
> > > mine off the shelf for about $50.
> > > Don
> > >
> > > Max Soto wrote:
> > >> Hi everybody,
> > >>
> > >> Since most of the time I sail shorthanded, I was planning to 
> install a
> > >> lazy jack or stack pak mainsail cover on the ESTANCIA. I haven't
use
> > >> one before, so , I don't even know how usefull they are. I think
taht
> > >> this will be a good adition, and that a three leg system will
> > >> be enough for our mainsails.
> > >>
> > >> Any descriptions, thoughts or recomendations from those of you 
> who has
> > >> this on your boats or have use this before will be appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> --
> > >> Max Soto
> > >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> > >> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
> > >> 
>
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> > > Professor
> > > Section of Evolution and Ecology
> > > University of California Davis
> > > 95616
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 08:25:53 -0700
From: DRS <drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Re: [C38] Blog
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Charles: Our blog for C38 Discreet Charm.
http://discreetchar.blogspot.com/
regards, don

Charles wrote:
> It appears there are a number of our member who have developed blogs, 
> which could be of interest to the rest of us. If you would like to
have 
> your blog site posted on our website, please email me and I will
create 
> a page with those links (chas at finn.ws).
>
> Charles Finn
> C38 Webmaster
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Phil Gay wrote:
>   
>> You have some nice photos on your blog. I especially like the 
>> ?Catalina 38? lettering on the side near the aft end of the boat. My 
>> original plastic logo fell off long ago and I have been wondering
what 
>> would look good. Everything on your boat looks top notch.
>>
>> Phil Gay
>>
>> C38 049 Que Linda
>>
>> Everett, WA
>>
>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org 
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 11:30 AM
>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Blog
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just in case, I'm working on these two blogs:
>>
>> http://www.svestancia.blogspot.com/
http://sailblogs.com/member/estancia/
>>
>> Te first one is has some pics. The second one needs some more work
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Max
>>
>> 2008/5/3, Kerry Grimes <littlebreeze at comcast.net 
>> <mailto:littlebreeze at comcast.net>>:
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> You blog is great. I tried to leave a comment but it didn't like me.
>> Your yard and you have done a lot for nice things to your boat. She
>> looks great.
>>
>> Kerry Grimes
>> Little Breeze, 139
>> San Francisco
>>
>> Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>     
>>> I took Max's lead and created a blog for our boat for anyone
>>> interested it is http://www.peregrine-cat38.blogspot.com/ If anyone
>>> else has a blog or website I would love to look at your projects to
>>> get ideas for our boat. As usually is the case the mast was
>>> supposed to be stepped today BUT they needed another day,,,,,,why
cant
>>> this type of thing ever happen on a Tuesday or Wednesday why is it
>>> always on Friday they need another day? Grrrr. Of course on Monday I
>>> have work related business and won't be able to pick up the boat
until
>>> Tuesday. Then its time for shakedowns and projects to get ready to
>>> head to Barkley Sound on the West side of Vancouver Island in July.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Peregrine #312
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* david at dlrfilms.com <mailto:david at dlrfilms.com>
>>> *Sent:* Fri 5/2/2008 2:01 PM
>>> *To:* drstrong at ucdavis.edu <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>; Catalina 
>>>       
>> 38 Listserve
>>     
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Lazy Jack
>>>
>>> Photos! Parts list!
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Max: Lazy jacks are very useful on C38s for shorthanded sailing! I 
>>>>         
>> built
>>     
>>>> mine off the shelf for about $50.
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>> Max Soto wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since most of the time I sail shorthanded, I was planning to 
>>>>>           
>> install a
>>     
>>>>> lazy jack or stack pak mainsail cover on the ESTANCIA. I haven't
use
>>>>> one before, so , I don't even know how usefull they are. I think
taht
>>>>> this will be a good adition, and that a three leg system will
>>>>> be enough for our mainsails.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any descriptions, thoughts or recomendations from those of you 
>>>>>           
>> who has
>>     
>>>>> this on your boats or have use this before will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Max Soto
>>>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> Donald R. Strong
>>>> Professor
>>>> Section of Evolution and Ecology
>>>> University of California Davis
>>>> 95616
>>>> 530 752 7886
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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