[C38] Spartite VS Mast boot

[Max Soto]

www.riggingonly.com  has different kind of wedges too.

If I use spartite, does it has to be replaced every time I take out the
mast, or that's what the vaseline is for, to avoid permanet bonding?

Max


2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>
> Rigrite.  I forgot about them.  Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Russ Duff
> Catalina 38, Hull #112
> "AVANTURA"
> Lake Erie
> Grosse Ile, Michigan
> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> Russ,
> Here is one place:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
> > OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet, catalinaowners.com,
> > sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find mast wedges.
> > Where else could I look?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Russ Duff
> > Catalina 38, Hull #112
> > "AVANTURA"
> > Lake Erie
> > Grosse Ile, Michigan
> > RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> > AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> > [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> >
> > Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
> > that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not fully
> > impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not sure
> > what would happen to nylon long term.
> >       However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the sail
> to
> > the boat hull.  On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
> > into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
> > with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
> > and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
> >
> >       With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step
> (about
> > a
> > 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the mast
> > step).  I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
> > step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that.  Also
> > shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
> > partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
> > more stress than intended.  Again, the designers could say more about
> > that.
> >
> >       Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without securing
> it
> > to
> > the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
> > installation?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Les H
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
> >> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
> >> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
> >> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
> >>         Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
> >>         any more waterproof than a good mast boot.  Am I missing
> >>         something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
> >>         sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
> >>         when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Sincerely,
> >>         Russ Duff
> >>         Catalina 38, Hull #112
> >>         "AVANTURA"
> >>         Lake Erie
> >>         Grosse Ile, Michigan
> >>         RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> >>
> >>         AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         ______________________________________________________________
> >>         From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> >>         [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> >>         Smolinske
> >>         Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
> >>         To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
> >>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
> >>         with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
> >>         directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
> >>         If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
> >>         mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
> >>         mast in the future.  We just had a new boot put on when the
> >>         mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
> >>         going to use the spartite.  I like the load deflection
> >>         characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
> >>         seals.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         ______________________________________________________________
> >>         From: Les
> >>         Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
> >>         To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> >>         Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
> >>
> >>
> >>         On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
> >>         > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite.  My mast and collar
> had
> >>
> > taken
> >
> >>         > a
> >>         > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous application
> of
> >>
> > mast
> >
> >>         > shims.  Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get any
> >>
> > water
> >
> >>         > coming in the cabin from the mast.  Even better, mast stress
> on
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>         > deck
> >>         > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
> >>
> >>         I'll second that.  We had water on every wet day coming into
> Jace.
> >>
> > No
> >
> >>         delamination or other problems, but the mess on
> >>         the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
> >>
> > miserable.
> >
> >>         Spar-tite fixed it.  And our clay dam is still inplace as well.
> >>
> > We had
> >
> >>         it done when the mast was pulled and painted.  We replaced all
> the
> >>         standing rigging at that time as well.
> >>
> >>         Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused drops
> >>
> > near or
> >
> >>         at their chain plates.  On JACE the windows were leaking, and
> the
> >>         stanchions were leaking.  We redid the windows (thank you
> Catalina
> >>         Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.  The
> >>
> > leaks
> >
> >>         ceased.  Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
> >>
> > Checking it
> >
> >>         looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
> the
> >>
> > tracks
> >
> >>         for the fairleads.  That I can do myself, so sometime in the
> next
> >>
> > week
> >
> >>         or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
> >>
> >>         My current project is to add solar panels.  I have two 65 watt
> >>
> > Kyocera
> >
> >>         panels which measuer about 30x25.  I am rigging a support across
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>         center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
> stainless
> >>
> > rail
> >
> >>         onto which I will clamp the solar panels.  This will add about
> >>
> > 25lbs or
> >
> >>         so to the dodger, but should be well within limits.  The wind
> >>
> > loading
> >
> >>         would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand with
> >>
> > 1"
> >
> >>         cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations for
> >>
> > panels
> >
> >>         up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
> wind
> >>         loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
> >>
> > Time will
> >
> >>         tell.
> >>
> >>         I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
> >>
> > purchases.
> >
> >>
> >>         Regards,
> >>         Les H
> >>         JACE
> >>
> >>
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> >> --
> >> Max Soto
> >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> >> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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Max Soto
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