[C38] Traveler Upgrade

Charles Finn charles at finn.ws
Mon Apr 26 09:19:53 EDT 2010


It sounds like our fleet has done quite a bit of innovating around our 
boom!  From traveler to vang to outhaul to sailtrack....
It would be GREAT if folks would send me pictures of these!  I will then 
mount them on the website.
Thanks in advance!
Chuck Finn
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes

On 4/26/2010 1:38 AM, littlebreeze at comcast.net wrote:
> Steve S
>
> How did you manage 12:1 inside the boom
>
> Kerry Grimes
> Little breeze,139
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S Orton" <ssorton at hotmail.com>
> To: listserve at catalina38.org, tdtron at earthlink.net
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:29:47 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [C38] Traveler Upgrade
>
> Steve S,  If you use a loose footed main, all the vertical load from 
> the boom goes through the clew to the leech no matter what the 
> sheeting arrangement is.  My problem for the outhaul wasn't that I 
> didn't have enough mechanical advantage, as I have a small winch 
> mounted forward on the boom,  but it was trying to relieve the out 
> haul.  I would be beating to the weather mark, round the mark, set the 
> spinnaker, try to ease outhaul, and I would be half way to the leeward 
> mark before I could "hammer" the damn thing loose to soften the main.  
> So that is why I threw the original equipment car away.  Anybody need 
> a boom outhaul car?  You pay the postage and it is yours.
> Cheers, Steve O
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
> To: tdtron at earthlink.net; listserve at catalina38.org
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:16:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [C38] Traveler Upgrade
>
>
> Exactly what Tom said  I didn't care for the looksof the straight so I 
> kept the curved. I also rerouted the main sheet so that the when 
> sheeting more of the effort goes directly to the leech than the 
> original set up. I also ran the garhaueur rigid vang control and a 
> cunningham to the cockpit and they are on the same side as the 
> mainsheet. So now when we race the main trimmer can do a more 
> effective job with the shape.  When I was thinking it through I 
> decided to go with something I looked at all the time versus the 
> amount of times It would be detrimental. Of course when cruising I 
> don't worry about it that much.
>
> For the outhaul we replaced the internal 3:1 setup with a 12:1 and 
> lead it forward to exit at the front of the boom on the bottom side it 
> the is lead through a camcleat on a swivel so it can beeasily adjusted 
> from any location on the deck.
>
>
> Steve Smolinske
>
> On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:25 AM, "Tom T." <tdtron at earthlink.net 
> <mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     I think the original curved traveler track was to follow the lines
>     of the boat and also give extra head room when entering the
>     boat.  In my opinion, the curved track was a great compromise
>     between function and looks.
>     The raised mounts used to accommodate a straight track and still
>     allow head clearance in the companionway may not look as pleasing
>     as the original teak, low profile mounts but for sail control, the
>     curved track can't compete with a straight track.
>     If Catalina had used straight track with high side mounts when
>     they designed and sold the 38, people would have complained about
>     the looks of the track.  Looks sell.
>     I am one who much prefers function over form when you can't have
>     both.  I once ran into a cruiser in the Bahamas who lugged a heavy
>     Delta anchor to the bow when anchoring next to us in the Abacos. 
>     Later I asked the sailor if he had considered keeping his bow
>     anchor on the bow with a bow roller and mount like we had.
>     His answer was that he didn't want to "ruin" the clean looks of
>     his new Benneteau.
>     Tom Troncalli
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* S Orton <mailto:ssorton at hotmail.com>
>         *To: *listserve at catalina38.org <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>         *Sent:* 4/24/2010 1:58:51 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [C38] Traveler Upgrade
>
>         Steve S,  I don't see the advantage of a curved track system
>         (curved in the vertical plane).  Is the recirculating ball car
>         designed with a curvature to match the curved track or do you
>         use multiple short cars ganged together?  When I'm hard to
>         weather and I want to flatten the boat for more speed, I just
>         ease the traveler.  If you have a curved track, you would have
>         to also ease the main sheet.
>         Am I wrong about the "advantage"?  Steve O
>
>         > From: SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
>         <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
>         > To: listserve at catalina38.org <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>
>         > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:02:58 -0400
>         > Subject: Re: [C38] Traveler Upgrade
>         >
>         > Alex
>         >
>         > One thing about the harken is they have a track systm which
>         allows the
>         > use of adjustable bolt locations so it is very easy to retrofit
>         > existing hole locations. If you go with a curved track it
>         may be best
>         > to send your existing track back as we found that our curved
>         track was
>         > not evenly curved along the radius but rather had some flat
>         spots and
>         > I had to modify using a hydraulic press in our machine shop at
>         > work. The only reason I didn't go with the garhauer was I was
>         > concerned about sharp edges on the end control cars possibly
>         catching
>         > Lines or worse sails on the deck.
>         >
>         > Steve
>         > 312 peregrine
>         > Seattleww
>         > Sent from my iPhone
>         >
>         > On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:10 AM, "Joseph Launie"
>         <jlaunie at cox.net <mailto:jlaunie at cox.net>> wrote:
>         >
>         > > Brett,
>         > > I just upgraded to a Harken traveler and wish I had done
>         it ten
>         > > years ago. We only race and we move the traveler under
>         load very
>         > > easily. I am not good with a camera but will try to get my
>         crew to
>         > > take pix this sunday during our practice. Joe Launie/Macavity
>         > >
>         > > bikahoga at aol.com <mailto:bikahoga at aol.com> wrote:
>         > >> Ok I'm am finally ready to upgrade from a curved original
>         track to
>         > >> a new flat track. I would love the opinions of the group
>         as to what
>         > >> I should get. I'm looking at one at catalina direct
>         online which
>         > >> has a full upgrade for our specific boat. So any help
>         would be
>         > >> great. I am racing more then cruising.
>         > >> Thanks
>         > >> Brett
>         > >> Jazz "313"
>         > >> Annapolis, MD
>         > >> Brett
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