[C38] Salon Shelving Options

Max Soto maxsoto at gmail.com
Thu Dec 2 10:14:02 EST 2010 

Five inches???? It's huge!!! Well, it's no surprise, for a sail that size, I
gues it has tobe that way...
Can't wait for the pics!!!

Regards,

Max

2010/12/1 Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net>

>  Max,
>     I can take some pictures. I have a Seldon and it extemds very simply to
> 3.5 feet beyond the headstay. The problem is that the SEldon is aout 5 inch
> diameter. There was not room for it to go between the forward leg of the bow
> pulpit and the headstay. My new bow pulpit will have its forward feet
> resting on the toe rail. pix to follow. Joe
>
>
> On 12/1/2010 11:51 AM, Max Soto wrote:
>
> Jay, it's all clear now!!! Since I don't have a bowsprit, I guess I should
> just keep jibing the a-sail on front, but I do need to install one some day
> soon, since my assay is luff53 and foot30, so the bowsprit will compensate
> for the bigger sail area. Then, I will see which jibing method works best
> for Estancia.
> Joe, do you have some close pics of your Bowsprit and it is attached???
> Thanks!
> Max
>
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:26 PM, "Jay Sorensen" <jsorensen at novarx.com> wrote:
>
>   Sorry for the confusion Max.  I was not very clear.
>
>
>
> I think you have it right in your last line.  All jibes are outside the
> fore triangle/forestay.  You can either run the continuous sheet between the
> tack line and the forestay or in front of/outside the tack line.  If you run
> it in front of the tack line and jibe, the sail folds over itself (in front
> of the luff) in an outward/forward manner.  If you run the sheet between the
> tack line and the forestay the sail folds inside the luff.  Does that make
> sense or does it just confuse the matter more??
>
>
>
> At least on the J-120 we found it easier to do an inside jibe.  But some
> others run it outside, perhaps to minimize the chance of getting the sheet
> trapped under the spirit pole??
>
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
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> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [
> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Max Soto
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:46 AM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
> OK, thanks for the info on the bow pulpit It's all clear!..I knew that
> there was a good reason for that shape, and I just wasn't sure wich one was
> it!!
>
>
>
> In regards to jybing the assy, I just got a little confused.......
>
>  What's the correct way for a jybe??? I usually do it outside of the bow,
> around the headstay....It works and I assume that this is the right way, but
> are there any other way?????  Inside the foretriangle is impossible or not?
> Or are you guys talking about jybing it between the assy tack on a bowsprit
> and the headstay (just like on a solent rig)????
>
>
>
> Max
>
> 2010/12/1 Robert Miller <chapuys at aol.com>
>
> Hey, Jay.  Where do you keep your boat?  I am at Southwestern Yacht Club.
>
>
>
> Bob Miller “Bolero” #113
>
>
>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Jay Sorensen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
> First, thanks to all who described options for making our shelf storage
> more secure.  We really appreciate the quick response and excellent
> suggestions.  Now it’s time to measure and think.
>
>
>
> From crewing as bowman on the J-120 Scamp for many years I have a couple of
> observations to improve performance of Asyms when racing for anyone who is
> interested.
>
>
>
> 1.             If the seas are calm (under 15 knots wind) it is beneficial
> to ease the tack line to allow the tack to ride apx 1 foot or so above the
> spirit pole.  This increases the size of the slot between the main and spin
> and increases the projected area.  In rougher conditions the control
> associated with having the tack directly on the spirit pole is preferred.
>
> 2.             It is easier to do an inside jibe vs. an outside jibe.  It
> may be common sense but we still see boats out there trying to get the sail
> to loop around the front.
>
> 3.             When jibing, bear down gently, ease the working spin sheet
> as the helmsman bears down and don’t start bringing in the new sheet until
> the clew is afore the headstay.  Then completely ease, and I mean completely
> blow, the old sheet while bringing in the new.  Waiting until the tack is
> afore the headstay makes all the difference.  Otherwise you’re just fighting
> it too much.  Practice this a couple of times and you will be an expert.
> It’s very intuitive.  The sail will practically fold itself in half.  Very
> cool.
>
> 4.             Watch the spin sheets and make sure they do not get trapped
> under, or around, the spirit pole.  It’s not pretty when the tack line and
> lazy sheet are trapped.  Trust me on that…………
>
> 5.             Loose is fast!  We always try to fly the asym with 1-3
> panels folded over on the lazy side (speed curls) and constantly play the
> sheet to maintain that shape.  I don’t know why it works but it does.  I’m
> sure there is some aeronautical engineer out there who could explain it.
>
> 6.             If you drop the asym using the forward hatch and bag,
> always drop on the port side of the forestay as all of the lines will be
> ready to run for the next hoist.  Provided all you are doing is standard
> windward leeward courses and bear away sets!  That is probably the best
> thing about using asyms!  Even if you have to do weather douse, just bear
> down to ease the load on the spin and manhandle it around the forestay using
> the lazy sheet.  Be sure to keep the foot out of the water!  But most C-38’s
> won’t be dropping down the forward hatch, right?  So do you re-rig after
> every douse?
>
>
>
> Wow, that was long winded.  Sorry about that.
>
>
>
> Jay Sorensen
>
> C-38, #311 Broad Reach
>
> San Diego, CA
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:11 AM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> *Subject:* RE: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
> Max,
>
>
>
> The pulpit also helps to move the chute forward away from the boat opening
> up the slot between the main and spinnaker making it more efficient.   Lots
> of boats will use the J length spinnaker pole rather than tacking off of the
> bow.  Its also not uncommon to loose the backstay all the way and pull the
> mast forward with a jib or spinnaker halyard attached to the bow, to help
> get a  little more distance in the slot.    Another method for jybing is to
> run the lazy sheet around the stay, fall off and use the main to help
> collapse the chute then jybing it over in front of the stay.   The polars
> for our boats show that a poled asym has almost the identically same curve
> as a symetric chute (not sure Im sold on that though as asyms tend to have
> less area). Our asym is a narrow shouldered A3ish design.  It was built with
> cruising in mind and ease of use, we have a sock for it which makes it very
> easy to deploy, takedown and even jybe sometimes depending on weather.   The
> best we have done with ours is about 7.8 in 20 knots of breeze (its only
> about 900 sq/ft of area).
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> #312 Peregrine
>
> Seattle
>
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
> *Sent:* Tue 11/30/2010 11:18 PM
> *To:* listserve at catalina38.org
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
> Max.
>     The assymetric chute is much easier to fly. It requires less muscle on
> the foredeck than the pole. We have added a 3.5 foot Seldon adjustable
> sprit. When we go to set the assy chute, the tack is hooked up 3.5 feet in
> front of the bow. The foot of the chute goes into the slot in the bow pulpit
> rather than having to drape over the top. It holds it in place during the
> set. If you look at the J-120 or J-105, both of whom have sprits, you will
> see the top slot for the chute. The sprit makes it much easier to jibe the
> chute. Joe
>
> On 11/30/2010 1:27 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>
>  Joe, what is the benefit of that pulpit style ??
>
> I thought that it was easier to use a spinnaker pole, but what's the
> advantage with an Assy?been able to reach for the tack shackle on the bow
> sprit??
>
> Regards, max
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net> wrote:
>
>  Jay,
>     Not only will our new .5 assym be mast head, it will be a bit longer on
> the foot because we will take advantage of our 3.5 foot adjustable sprit for
> a 19 foot J. We are making it with small shoulders so it will be easier to
> fly in the 3 to 6 wind range. We need horsepower there. Getting it down will
> be interesting. Joe Launie/ Macavity
>
> On 11/30/2010 8:15 AM, Jay Sorensen wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
>
>
> Nice idea changing to a J-120 type of pulpit.  I crewed as bowman on a
> J-120 here in San Diego and it’s a pleasure to handle asym’s up front using
> a hatch bag and open pulpit.  A mast head 0.5 asym on a C-38 is going to be
> HUGE!
>
>
>
> Jay & Dorothy Sorensen
>
> C-38 #311 Broad Reach
>
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [
> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Launie
> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2010 10:44 PM
> *To:* listserve at catalina38.org
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
> Phil,
>     Photos of our shelving solution coming on wed. when I am going to the
> boat to pull the bow pulpit for a make-over. We are changing to a J-120 type
> pulpit for our assymetric chute. We use our shelves mostly or books and
> knicknacks. We have slats that slide in place and pull out easily. Works -
> we will also show our instrument boxes which hid the back of instruments in
> the cabin side. Joe Launie/Macavity
>
> On 11/29/2010 10:10 PM, Phil Gay wrote:
>
> We didn't reinforce the shelves, but mainly put fruits, vegetables, and
>
> breads in them.  It doesn't seem like things would stay put, they do at
>
> least up to 30 degrees of heel.  Of course we got more heel the couple of
>
> times when we ran aground on an outgoing tide.  ;-)  We sometime get a tide
>
> range of 16 feet in 8 hours.
>
>
>
>
>
> Phil Gay
>
>
>
> C38 049 Que Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> Everett, WA
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>
>
>
>
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:15 PM
>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
>
>
> We borrowed the idea from Phil and Linda after seeing how nice they look and
>
> work and are happy with arrangement.  It allows you to pull out or reach in
>
> the basket you need without disturbing the others.  Phil how did you
>
> reinforce the upper shelf?  I've been thinking of epoxying a teak block
>
> underneath the shelf at the mid point.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> #312 Peregrine
>
>
>
> Seattle
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
>
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Phil Gay
>
> Sent: Mon 11/29/2010 11:41 AM
>
> To: 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
> My wife really like to use baskets there.
>
>
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>
>
> Phil Gay
>
>
>
> C38 049 Que Linda
>
>
>
> Everett, WA
>
>
>
>
>
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:20 AM
>
> To: listserve at catalina38.org
>
> Subject: [C38] Salon Shelving Options
>
>
>
>
>
> Good Morning All,
>
>
>
>
>
> First Mate Dorothy is interested in using the salon shelves for storage of
>
> items but does not like seeing things fly across the salon when things get
>
> rough.
>
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone added a bungee net, doors, railing, etc. to the shelves to make
>
> them more functional in rough weather?  It does happen occasionally here in
>
> San Diego!
>
>
>
>
>
> There is a lot of space there but it's completely open.
>
>
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>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay & Dorothy Sorensen
>
>
>
> C-38 #311 Broad Reach
>
>
>
> San Diego, CA
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