[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 333(oregon Offshore) Alden Andre

Mon May 16 20:54:36 EDT 2011

Steve i think a congrats is in order for you winning your division in the Oregon Offshore this year. I heard it was a down wind run up to the straits. Good thing you didnt get breached by a whale like Laorca did. They were lucky it didnt land in the cockpit but up on the mast. Keep winning i am putting my money on you for the TransPac. . Sorry i didnt do the Oregon offshore this year out of town on buisness but plan on doing it next year. 

Alden Andre 

S/V FLYBYE C-38 

alden642 at comcast.net 

503-929-8814 

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   1. Re: America Held Hostage (William Knowles) 

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Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:43:40 -0400 
From: William Knowles <whk1965 at gmail.com> 
To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org> 
Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage 
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just blow it off! 

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws> wrote: 

>  Everyone, 
> 
> We do not censor or review all messages before they come through. Members 
> who abuse this will dealt with. 
> 
> Anders 
> Webmaster 
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> 
> On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote: 
> 
> I totally agree. 
> Patrick 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> *From:* D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com> 
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org> 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM 
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage 
> 
>   If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I am out of here.... Keep your 
> religion and your politics to yourself ! 
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> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 
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> Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods. 
> Most people have only technical training! 
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> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 
> 
> The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in 
> sailing. 
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> 
> When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before! 
> 
> --- On *Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net><1derful at comcast.net> 
> * wrote: 
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> From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net> <1derful at comcast.net> 
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage 
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org><listserve at catalina38.org> 
> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM 
> 
>  *How did this political statement get on a  sailing site?* 
> *Blue eyes* 
> *San Francisco Bay* 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> *From:* Don Strong <http://mc/compose?to=drstrong@ucdavis.edu> 
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve<http://mc/compose?to=listserve@catalina38.org> 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM 
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage 
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>  Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don 
> 
> On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote: 
> 
>  Can we please limit political discussion on the board to only those that 
> are favorable to the Republican view point? 
> 
>  *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<http://mc/compose?to=listserve-bounces@catalina38.org>[ 
> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<http://mc/compose?to=listserve-bounces@catalina38.org>] 
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Haynes 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM 
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve 
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage 
> 
> Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman says here is the 
> honest to God truth. 
> 
> Bill 
> 
> May 15, 2011 
> 
> New York Times 
> 
> *America Held Hostage* 
> 
> By PAUL KRUGMAN 
> 
> Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation. Republicans 
> threatened to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless Mr. Obama 
> gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the president 
> essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted. 
> 
> Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail worked well last 
> December, so why not try it again? This time House Republicans say they will 
> refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a step that could inflict major economic 
> damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts, even as they rule 
> out any tax increase whatsoever. And the question becomes what, if anything, 
> will get the president to say no. 
> 
> The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law: since Congress 
> must vote to authorize spending and choose tax rates, why have a second vote 
> on whether to allow the borrowing that these spending and taxation policies 
> imply? In practice, however, legislators have historically been willing to 
> raise the debt ceiling as necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn?t 
> mattered very much ? until now. 
> 
> What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the Republican Party. 
> Normally, a party controlling neither the White House nor the Senate would 
> acknowledge that it isn?t in a position to impose its agenda on the nation. 
> But the modern G.O.P. doesn?t believe in following normal rules. 
> 
> So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It has become fashionable 
> on the right to assert that it would be no big deal. On Saturday the 
> editorial page of The Wall Street Journal ridiculed those worried about the 
> consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon lobby." 
> 
> It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types believe what they?re 
> saying, or whether they?re just staking out a bargaining position. But in 
> any case, they?re almost surely wrong: seriously bad consequences will 
> follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised. 
> 
> For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be forced to stop 
> paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s the share of spending 
> currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop sending out Social Security 
> checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that treat Medicare 
> patients? Will it stop paying the contractors supplying fuel and munitions 
> to our military? Or will it stop paying interest on the debt? 
> 
> Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written before, the federal 
> government is basically an insurance company with an army, so I?ve just 
> described all the major components of federal spending. At least one, and 
> probably several, of these components will face payment stoppages if federal 
> borrowing is cut off. 
> 
> And what would such payment stops do to the economy? Nothing good. Consumer 
> spending would probably crash, as nervous seniors started wondering how to 
> pay for rent and food. Businesses that depend on government purchases would 
> slash payrolls and cancel investments. 
> 
> Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if interest payments are 
> missed. And the consequences of undermining faith in U.S. debt might be 
> especially severe because that debt plays a crucial role in many financial 
> transactions. 
> 
> So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing. Unfortunately, it 
> may be unavoidable. 
> 
> Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the president and his allies 
> operate on the principle that failure to raise the debt ceiling is an 
> unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have ceded all 
> power to those willing to bring that outcome about. In effect, they will 
> have ripped up the Constitution and given control over America?s government 
> to a party that only controls one house of Congress, but claims to be 
> willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it wants. 
> 
> Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P. isn?t nearly as 
> willing to burn the house down as it claims. Business interests have made it 
> clear that they?re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt ceiling. 
> Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of Commerce has urged Congress 
> to raise the ceiling "as expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation 
> over spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans won big last 
> year largely by promising to protect Medicare, then promptly voted to 
> dismantle the program. 
> 
> But the president can?t call the extortionists? bluff unless he?s willing 
> to confront them, and accept the associated risks. 
> 
> According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr. Obama has told 
> Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt negotiations. Well, 
> count me among those who find this strategy completely baffling. At some 
> point ? and sooner rather than later ? the president has to draw a line. 
> Otherwise, he might as well move out of the White House, and hand the keys 
> over to the Tea Party. 
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