[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 333(oregon Offshore) Alden Andre
Steve Smolinske
SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
Tue May 17 01:23:05 EDT 2011
Thanks Alden, It was the one in seven year downwind start and with 20 knots at the get go it and all through the night it was fun. We entered the straits a few hours ahead of California Girl which in itself would have made the trip a great success. They managed sneaking by us somehow during the day I still cant figure out when they got past us, but no shame there Timm and Victoria are amazing sailors as you know. We made a very good tactical decision not to go through race rocks in the dark and chase the boats ahead of us instead rounding the outer buoy( I'd like to say we did it for tactical reasons cuz we are so smart, but the truth is with the boat in Transpac shape I didnt want to risk grounding on the rocks and damaging the boat this close to leaving for LA), we were doing 8 knots through the water on top of a 3 knot current push and when we jibed to a reach in 15 knots, we just blew by all the boats that went through the passage that were then stuck in the toilet bowl outside Victoria Harbor. We had to tack several times in a non existant breeze to avoid two cruise ships that were leaving as we were trying to get over the finish line that ended up costing us about 20 minutes, but we still managed to beat Velocity (J42) on corrected time by less than a minute. We hit the dock drank our champagne then at 3:00 AM started the 15 hour trip home, kind of a bummer to miss the awards party, but there are only 19 days left for us to get the boat ready before heading south.
Poor Gerry and Ryan how much would that suck to have a whale land on your boat?! I still cant believe it, they were behind us by 1/4 mile when it happened, So glad that no one was injured.
Steve
#312 Peregrine
Seattle
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Steve i think a congrats is in order for you winning your division in the Oregon Offshore this year. I heard it was a down wind run up to the straits. Good thing you didnt get breached by a whale like Laorca did. They were lucky it didnt land in the cockpit but up on the mast. Keep winning i am putting my money on you for the TransPac. . Sorry i didnt do the Oregon offshore this year out of town on buisness but plan on doing it next year.
Alden Andre
S/V FLYBYE C-38
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1. Re: America Held Hostage (William Knowles)
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:43:40 -0400
From: William Knowles <whk1965 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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just blow it off!
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Anders Finn <anders at finn.ws> wrote:
> Everyone,
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> We do not censor or review all messages before they come through. Members
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> Anders
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> On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote:
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> I totally agree.
> Patrick
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* D McC <cat38skip at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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> If this Horse$#!+ keeps showing up, I am out of here.... Keep your
> religion and your politics to yourself !
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> Common Sense is a rare gift from the Gods.
> Most people have only technical training!
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> The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
> sailing.
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> When in doubt, try the vice You haven't tried before!
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> --- On *Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net><1derful at comcast.net>
> * wrote:
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> From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net> <1derful at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org><listserve at catalina38.org>
> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM
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> *How did this political statement get on a sailing site?*
> *Blue eyes*
> *San Francisco Bay*
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Don Strong <http://mc/compose?to=drstrong@ucdavis.edu>
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve<http://mc/compose?to=listserve@catalina38.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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> Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don
>
> On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>
> Can we please limit political discussion on the board to only those that
> are favorable to the Republican view point?
>
> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<http://mc/compose?to=listserve-bounces@catalina38.org>[
> mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org<http://mc/compose?to=listserve-bounces@catalina38.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Haynes
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM
> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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> Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman says here is the
> honest to God truth.
>
> Bill
>
> May 15, 2011
>
> New York Times
>
> *America Held Hostage*
>
> By PAUL KRUGMAN
>
> Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation. Republicans
> threatened to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless Mr. Obama
> gave in and extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the president
> essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted.
>
> Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail worked well last
> December, so why not try it again? This time House Republicans say they will
> refuse to raise the debt ceiling ? a step that could inflict major economic
> damage ? unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts, even as they rule
> out any tax increase whatsoever. And the question becomes what, if anything,
> will get the president to say no.
>
> The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law: since Congress
> must vote to authorize spending and choose tax rates, why have a second vote
> on whether to allow the borrowing that these spending and taxation policies
> imply? In practice, however, legislators have historically been willing to
> raise the debt ceiling as necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn?t
> mattered very much ? until now.
>
> What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the Republican Party.
> Normally, a party controlling neither the White House nor the Senate would
> acknowledge that it isn?t in a position to impose its agenda on the nation.
> But the modern G.O.P. doesn?t believe in following normal rules.
>
> So what will happen if the ceiling isn?t raised? It has become fashionable
> on the right to assert that it would be no big deal. On Saturday the
> editorial page of The Wall Street Journal ridiculed those worried about the
> consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon lobby."
>
> It?s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types believe what they?re
> saying, or whether they?re just staking out a bargaining position. But in
> any case, they?re almost surely wrong: seriously bad consequences will
> follow if the debt ceiling isn?t raised.
>
> For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be forced to stop
> paying roughly a third of its bills, because that?s the share of spending
> currently financed by borrowing. So will it stop sending out Social Security
> checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that treat Medicare
> patients? Will it stop paying the contractors supplying fuel and munitions
> to our military? Or will it stop paying interest on the debt?
>
> Don?t say "none of the above." As I?ve written before, the federal
> government is basically an insurance company with an army, so I?ve just
> described all the major components of federal spending. At least one, and
> probably several, of these components will face payment stoppages if federal
> borrowing is cut off.
>
> And what would such payment stops do to the economy? Nothing good. Consumer
> spending would probably crash, as nervous seniors started wondering how to
> pay for rent and food. Businesses that depend on government purchases would
> slash payrolls and cancel investments.
>
> Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if interest payments are
> missed. And the consequences of undermining faith in U.S. debt might be
> especially severe because that debt plays a crucial role in many financial
> transactions.
>
> So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing. Unfortunately, it
> may be unavoidable.
>
> Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the president and his allies
> operate on the principle that failure to raise the debt ceiling is an
> unthinkable outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have ceded all
> power to those willing to bring that outcome about. In effect, they will
> have ripped up the Constitution and given control over America?s government
> to a party that only controls one house of Congress, but claims to be
> willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it wants.
>
> Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P. isn?t nearly as
> willing to burn the house down as it claims. Business interests have made it
> clear that they?re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt ceiling.
> Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of Commerce has urged Congress
> to raise the ceiling "as expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation
> over spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans won big last
> year largely by promising to protect Medicare, then promptly voted to
> dismantle the program.
>
> But the president can?t call the extortionists? bluff unless he?s willing
> to confront them, and accept the associated risks.
>
> According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr. Obama has told
> Democrats not to draw any "line in the sand" in debt negotiations. Well,
> count me among those who find this strategy completely baffling. At some
> point ? and sooner rather than later ? the president has to draw a line.
> Otherwise, he might as well move out of the White House, and hand the keys
> over to the Tea Party.
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