[C38] Stanchions

S Orton ssorton at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 28 15:42:16 EST 2011 

Chuck,  If I understand the concept correctly, it is a very poor structural design.  There is no foot print to react the outward cantilever force on the stantion- you need a four bolt pattern to react this force in all directions and I only saw two fasteners parallel to the toe rail.
Cheers, Steve O
 


Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:31 -0500
From: charles at finn.ws
To: listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: Re: [C38] Stanchions


Max,
Here is the rigrite url:   http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Stanchions_&_Bases/Stanchion_Bases_SS.html#SS%20Stanchion%20Bases%20that%20Attach%20to%20Toerail

As you can see, this would put the stanchion on the outside edge of our toerail and would eliminate the base.  This would result in a lot of room on the deck.  I am thinking of using two of the bases for the gate and then moving forward.  My issue about this would look is that I will have to connect to the stern rails and bow pulpit, which would remain as they are.
I would also have to fill all the holes in the deck from where the plates were and re-route the holding tank vent, but that would be worth it for the extra room on deck and the elimination of possible leaks.

What to our C38 folks think?

Chuck Finn
Mighty Quinn #114 
Great Lakes


On 1/27/2011 11:21 AM, Max Soto wrote: 
Chuck, Did you send a link for the rigrite stanchions? 
 Regards,


Max


2011/1/26 Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws>


One way I know it is sailing season is the scrape on my shin obtained as I climb from the cabin to the cockpit.  The other wound is the bruises on the side of both legs as I bang into the stanchions.  I love the look of our boats, but the design idea that the stanchions should follow the inward bend of the tumblehome really does not work for me.  There just is not enough deck for a guy my size.  I am still considering bending and re-welding the current stanchions into a vertical position, but perhaps even a better solution would be to remove the current stanchions altogether and going with a toe rail stanchion like you see on C&C yachts.  Rigrite.com has these.   Attaching stanchions directly to our toerail seems to be a viable option as the rail is really heavy duty.  Additionally, you can buy the bases and use the current tubing assuming it is not the light weight stuff Tom has commented on.   This would give us a lot more deck space for size 11 feet.
Just thinking aloud at this point, but I really am tired of the bruising!

Chuck Finn
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes 


 
On 1/25/2011 3:25 PM, Max Soto wrote: 
Good to know that they share the same foot print... If the removable stanchion's base also fits, I'll go for that one next time..... A little heavier, but if they bend, it will be so much easier to replace....... 
Thanks, Max


2011/1/25 Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com>

Max, yes...same foot print.  Garhauer has a square-ish base that I think are for removable stanchions and a one that's trapezoidal for the solid/fixed type, which is what mine are (also characterized by the "flat top").  I can't speak to the quality comment that Tom refers to, I just know mine have been on the boat for 30 years and only needed to be replaced because the over-wintering force exerted by the shrinkwrap caused them to bend.  I thought I saw reinforced/gate style stanchions on their website, but don't know about the footprint. 




On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tom T. <tdtron at earthlink.net> wrote:




 
After hurricane Dennis (the Menace) skirted Tampa Bay a few years ago with a near miss, we got tangled up with a piling with the surge and had our starboard lifelines damaged along with the stanchions on that side.
 
I replaced the stanchions near the rail at the aft end of the cabin with Catalina Direct stanchions. I replaced both sides so they would match.  My boat had standard stanchions and those stanchions should have been the reinforced gate entry types which are heavier and more expensive.
 
I didn't shop Garhauer and I probably should have but the original stanchions were JUNK so anything was an upgrade!  The metal in the replacement stanchions was much heavier gage and with the reinforced foot design of the gate type stanchion there was no comparison between quality or strength of the two types.
 
The reason I bring this up is some of our members may have stanchions like the ones I replaced which may be a disaster waiting to happen.  If the stanchions at the front of the gate are like the thin, weak ones like I had they could fail.  The thin tube original stanchions may be OK for middle of the lifeline mounts but where the gates terminate they are inadequate
 
Tom Troncalli


 

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From: Max Soto 
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Sent: 1/25/2011 12:00:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [C38] Stanchions


Steve, do they have the same footprint???
Regards, max

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On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com> wrote:



Our stanchions are Garhauer...I replaced a couple last season...about $50 each.


On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Steve, 


I'm not surprised if they were made by Garhauer...... 


Regards,


Max


2011/1/24 Steve Smolinske <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>






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