[C38] Stanchions
Anders Finn
anders at finn.ws
Fri Jan 28 16:16:27 EST 2011
Yeah, I just got a chance to look at this. I think Steve is right here
about a large drop in torsional resistance. However, that being said,
those stanchions forward of the cockpit are not really THAT strong. I
would like to see at least a three bolt design with a larger outer plate
to provide some surface to disperse the torque to the hull.
Anders
PS. They say they're used on Freedom 32's however, from pictures, I
can't see anything resembling a toe rail that would support load on them.
On 01/28/2011 12:42 PM, S Orton wrote:
> Chuck, If I understand the concept correctly, it is a very poor
> structural design. There is no foot print to react the outward
> cantilever force on the stantion- you need a four bolt pattern to
> react this force in all directions and I only saw two fasteners
> parallel to the toe rail.
> Cheers, Steve O
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:31 -0500
> From: charles at finn.ws
> To: listserve at catalina38.org
> Subject: Re: [C38] Stanchions
>
> Max,
> Here is the rigrite url:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Stanchions_&_Bases/Stanchion_Bases_SS.html#SS%20Stanchion%20Bases%20that%20Attach%20to%20Toerail
> <http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Stanchions_&_Bases/Stanchion_Bases_SS.html#SS%20Stanchion%20Bases%20that%20Attach%20to%20Toerail>
>
> As you can see, this would put the stanchion on the outside edge of
> our toerail and would eliminate the base. This would result in a lot
> of room on the deck. I am thinking of using two of the bases for the
> gate and then moving forward. My issue about this would look is that
> I will have to connect to the stern rails and bow pulpit, which would
> remain as they are.
> I would also have to fill all the holes in the deck from where the
> plates were and re-route the holding tank vent, but that would be
> worth it for the extra room on deck and the elimination of possible leaks.
>
> What to our C38 folks think?
>
> Chuck Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
> Great Lakes
>
>
> On 1/27/2011 11:21 AM, Max Soto wrote:
>
> Chuck, Did you send a link for the rigrite stanchions?
> Regards,
>
> Max
>
> 2011/1/26 Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws <mailto:charles at finn.ws>>
>
> One way I know it is sailing season is the scrape on my shin
> obtained as I climb from the cabin to the cockpit. The other
> wound is the bruises on the side of both legs as I bang into
> the stanchions. I love the look of our boats, but the design
> idea that the stanchions should follow the inward bend of the
> tumblehome really does not work for me. There just is not
> enough deck for a guy my size. I am still considering bending
> and re-welding the current stanchions into a vertical
> position, but perhaps even a better solution would be to
> remove the current stanchions altogether and going with a toe
> rail stanchion like you see on C&C yachts. Rigrite.com has
> these. Attaching stanchions directly to our toerail seems to
> be a viable option as the rail is really heavy duty.
> Additionally, you can buy the bases and use the current tubing
> assuming it is not the light weight stuff Tom has commented
> on. This would give us a lot more deck space for size 11 feet.
> Just thinking aloud at this point, but I really am tired of
> the bruising!
>
> Chuck Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
> Great Lakes
>
>
> On 1/25/2011 3:25 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>
> Good to know that they share the same foot print... If the
> removable stanchion's base also fits, I'll go for that one
> next time..... A little heavier, but if they bend, it will
> be so much easier to replace.......
> Thanks, Max
>
> 2011/1/25 Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com
> <mailto:steve.ribble at gmail.com>>
>
> Max, yes...same foot print. Garhauer has a square-ish
> base that I think are for removable stanchions and a
> one that's trapezoidal for the solid/fixed type, which
> is what mine are (also characterized by the "flat
> top"). I can't speak to the quality comment that Tom
> refers to, I just know mine have been on the boat for
> 30 years and only needed to be replaced because the
> over-wintering force exerted by the shrinkwrap caused
> them to bend. I thought I saw reinforced/gate style
> stanchions on their website, but don't know about the
> footprint.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tom T.
> <tdtron at earthlink.net <mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net>>
> wrote:
>
> After hurricane Dennis (the Menace) skirted Tampa
> Bay a few years ago with a near miss, we got
> tangled up with a piling with the surge and had
> our starboard lifelines damaged along with the
> stanchions on that side.
> I replaced the stanchions near the rail at the aft
> end of the cabin with Catalina Direct stanchions.
> I replaced both sides so they would match. My
> boat had standard stanchions and those stanchions
> should have been the reinforced gate entry types
> which are heavier and more expensive.
> I didn't shop Garhauer and I probably should have
> but the original stanchions were JUNK so anything
> was an upgrade! The metal in the replacement
> stanchions was much heavier gage and with the
> reinforced foot design of the gate type stanchion
> there was no comparison between quality or
> strength of the two types.
> The reason I bring this up is some of our members
> may have stanchions like the ones I replaced which
> may be a disaster waiting to happen. If the
> stanchions at the front of the gate are like the
> thin, weak ones like I had they could fail. The
> thin tube original stanchions may be OK for middle
> of the lifeline mounts but where the gates
> terminate they are inadequate
> Tom Troncalli
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Max Soto <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Stanchions
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> Steve, do they have the same footprint???
> Regards, max
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Steven Ribble
> <steve.ribble at gmail.com
> <mailto:steve.ribble at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Our stanchions are Garhauer...I replaced a
> couple last season...about $50 each.
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Max Soto
> <maxsoto at gmail.com
> <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> I'm not surprised if they were made by
> Garhauer......
>
> Regards,
>
> Max
>
> 2011/1/24 Steve Smolinske
> <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
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>
> Does anyone know who made our
> stanchions?
>
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