[C38] Stanchions

Chuck Finn charles at finn.ws
Fri Jan 28 17:13:15 EST 2011


This type of fitting is used by:  C&C, Hunter, PDQ, Bayfield, and 
Freedom yachts.  I think the footprint is the entire toerail, which is 
significantly stronger than our pad fastened to a plywood deck....   If 
I was to worry about strength, it would be the shear force exerted on 
the bolts if the toerail stanchion base is not a good fit with our 
toerail...  I would weld the stanchion to the base rather than rely on 
the throughbolt.  I can also comment on the strength of at least the C&C 
toerail as I have raced these boats and that means bounced a time or two 
off the lines and stanchions!  Have crewed Hunters as well, but don't 
remember the stanchion design.

I think my next step will be to contact Garhauer as they are reputed to 
have first made our toerail.  I also could easily fabricate my own bases 
that would incorporate Ander's ideas.

But, will it look pretty?

Chuck Finn
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes


On 1/28/2011 4:16 PM, Anders Finn wrote:
> Yeah, I just got a chance to look at this. I think Steve is right here 
> about a large drop in torsional resistance. However, that being said, 
> those stanchions forward of the cockpit are not really THAT strong. I 
> would like to see at least a three bolt design with a larger outer 
> plate to provide some surface to disperse the torque to the hull.
>
> Anders
>
> PS. They say they're used on Freedom 32's however, from pictures, I 
> can't see anything resembling a toe rail that would support load on them.
>
>
> On 01/28/2011 12:42 PM, S Orton wrote:
>> Chuck,  If I understand the concept correctly, it is a very poor 
>> structural design.  There is no foot print to react the outward 
>> cantilever force on the stantion- you need a four bolt pattern to 
>> react this force in all directions and I only saw two fasteners 
>> parallel to the toe rail.
>> Cheers, Steve O
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:31 -0500
>> From: charles at finn.ws
>> To: listserve at catalina38.org
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Stanchions
>>
>> Max,
>> Here is the rigrite url: 
>> http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Stanchions_&_Bases/Stanchion_Bases_SS.html#SS%20Stanchion%20Bases%20that%20Attach%20to%20Toerail 
>> <http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Stanchions_&_Bases/Stanchion_Bases_SS.html#SS%20Stanchion%20Bases%20that%20Attach%20to%20Toerail>
>>
>> As you can see, this would put the stanchion on the outside edge of 
>> our toerail and would eliminate the base.  This would result in a lot 
>> of room on the deck.  I am thinking of using two of the bases for the 
>> gate and then moving forward.  My issue about this would look is that 
>> I will have to connect to the stern rails and bow pulpit, which would 
>> remain as they are.
>> I would also have to fill all the holes in the deck from where the 
>> plates were and re-route the holding tank vent, but that would be 
>> worth it for the extra room on deck and the elimination of possible 
>> leaks.
>>
>> What to our C38 folks think?
>>
>> Chuck Finn
>> Mighty Quinn #114
>> Great Lakes
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/2011 11:21 AM, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>     Chuck, Did you send a link for the rigrite stanchions?
>>      Regards,
>>
>>     Max
>>
>>     2011/1/26 Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws <mailto:charles at finn.ws>>
>>
>>         One way I know it is sailing season is the scrape on my shin
>>         obtained as I climb from the cabin to the cockpit.  The other
>>         wound is the bruises on the side of both legs as I bang into
>>         the stanchions.  I love the look of our boats, but the design
>>         idea that the stanchions should follow the inward bend of the
>>         tumblehome really does not work for me.  There just is not
>>         enough deck for a guy my size.  I am still considering
>>         bending and re-welding the current stanchions into a vertical
>>         position, but perhaps even a better solution would be to
>>         remove the current stanchions altogether and going with a toe
>>         rail stanchion like you see on C&C yachts.  Rigrite.com has
>>         these.   Attaching stanchions directly to our toerail seems
>>         to be a viable option as the rail is really heavy duty. 
>>         Additionally, you can buy the bases and use the current
>>         tubing assuming it is not the light weight stuff Tom has
>>         commented on.   This would give us a lot more deck space for
>>         size 11 feet.
>>         Just thinking aloud at this point, but I really am tired of
>>         the bruising!
>>
>>         Chuck Finn
>>         Mighty Quinn #114
>>         Great Lakes
>>
>>
>>         On 1/25/2011 3:25 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>             Good to know that they share the same foot print... If
>>             the removable stanchion's base also fits, I'll go for
>>             that one next time..... A little heavier, but if they
>>             bend, it will be so much easier to replace.......
>>             Thanks, Max
>>
>>             2011/1/25 Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:steve.ribble at gmail.com>>
>>
>>                 Max, yes...same foot print.  Garhauer has a
>>                 square-ish base that I think are for removable
>>                 stanchions and a one that's trapezoidal for the
>>                 solid/fixed type, which is what mine are (also
>>                 characterized by the "flat top").  I can't speak to
>>                 the quality comment that Tom refers to, I just know
>>                 mine have been on the boat for 30 years and only
>>                 needed to be replaced because the over-wintering
>>                 force exerted by the shrinkwrap caused them to bend.
>>                  I thought I saw reinforced/gate style stanchions on
>>                 their website, but don't know about the footprint.
>>
>>                 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tom T.
>>                 <tdtron at earthlink.net <mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net>>
>>                 wrote:
>>
>>                     After hurricane Dennis (the Menace) skirted Tampa
>>                     Bay a few years ago with a near miss, we got
>>                     tangled up with a piling with the surge and had
>>                     our starboard lifelines damaged along with the
>>                     stanchions on that side.
>>                     I replaced the stanchions near the rail at the
>>                     aft end of the cabin with Catalina Direct
>>                     stanchions. I replaced both sides so they would
>>                     match.  My boat had standard stanchions and those
>>                     stanchions should have been the reinforced gate
>>                     entry types which are heavier and more expensive.
>>                     I didn't shop Garhauer and I probably should have
>>                     but the original stanchions were JUNK so anything
>>                     was an upgrade!  The metal in the replacement
>>                     stanchions was much heavier gage and with the
>>                     reinforced foot design of the gate type stanchion
>>                     there was no comparison between quality or
>>                     strength of the two types.
>>                     The reason I bring this up is some of our members
>>                     may have stanchions like the ones I replaced
>>                     which may be a disaster waiting to happen.  If
>>                     the stanchions at the front of the gate are like
>>                     the thin, weak ones like I had they could fail. 
>>                     The thin tube original stanchions may be OK for
>>                     middle of the lifeline mounts but where the gates
>>                     terminate they are inadequate
>>                     Tom Troncalli
>>
>>                         ----- Original Message -----
>>                         *From:* Max Soto <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>                         *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve
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>>                         *Sent:* 1/25/2011 12:00:20 PM
>>                         *Subject:* Re: [C38] Stanchions
>>
>>                         Steve, do they have the same footprint???
>>                         Regards, max
>>
>>                         Sent from my iPod
>>
>>                         On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Steven Ribble
>>                         <steve.ribble at gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:steve.ribble at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             Our stanchions are Garhauer...I replaced
>>                             a couple last season...about $50 each.
>>
>>                             On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Max Soto
>>                             <maxsoto at gmail.com
>>                             <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 Hey Steve,
>>
>>                                 I'm not surprised if they were made
>>                                 by Garhauer......
>>
>>                                 Regards,
>>
>>                                 Max
>>
>>                                 2011/1/24 Steve Smolinske
>>                                 <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
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>>                                     stanchions?
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