[C38] America Held Hostage

Anders Finn anders at finn.ws
Mon May 16 19:30:09 EDT 2011


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On 05/16/2011 03:34 PM, Patrick Harpole wrote:
> I totally agree.
> Patrick
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>     --- On *Mon, 5/16/11, Patrick Harpole /<1derful at comcast.net>/* wrote:
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>         From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
>         Subject: Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
>         To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>         Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 2:45 PM
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>         *How did this political statement get on a  sailing site?*
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>             *From:* Don Strong </mc/compose?to=drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
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>             *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:49 PM
>             *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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>             Steve: You are a naughty boy! Don
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>             On 5/16/11 1:39 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>
>>             Can we please limit political discussion on the board to
>>             only those that are favorable to the Republican view point?
>>
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>>             [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>             </mc/compose?to=listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Bill Haynes
>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:32 PM
>>             *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>             *Subject:* Re: [C38] America Held Hostage
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>>             Paul, you need to read this column for what Paul Krugman
>>             says here is the honest to God truth.
>>
>>             Bill
>>
>>             May 15, 2011
>>
>>             New York Times
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>>             *America Held Hostage*
>>
>>             By PAUL KRUGMAN
>>
>>             Six months ago President Obama faced a hostage situation.
>>             Republicans threatened to block an extension of
>>             middle-class tax cuts unless Mr. Obama gave in and
>>             extended tax cuts for the rich too. And the president
>>             essentially folded, giving the G.O.P. everything it wanted.
>>
>>             Now, predictably, the hostage-takers are back: blackmail
>>             worked well last December, so why not try it again? This
>>             time House Republicans say they will refuse to raise the
>>             debt ceiling — a step that could inflict major economic
>>             damage — unless Mr. Obama agrees to large spending cuts,
>>             even as they rule out any tax increase whatsoever. And
>>             the question becomes what, if anything, will get the
>>             president to say no.
>>
>>             The debt ceiling itself is a strange feature of U.S. law:
>>             since Congress must vote to authorize spending and choose
>>             tax rates, why have a second vote on whether to allow the
>>             borrowing that these spending and taxation policies
>>             imply? In practice, however, legislators have
>>             historically been willing to raise the debt ceiling as
>>             necessary, so this quirk in our system hasn’t mattered
>>             very much — until now.
>>
>>             What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the
>>             Republican Party. Normally, a party controlling neither
>>             the White House nor the Senate would acknowledge that it
>>             isn’t in a position to impose its agenda on the nation.
>>             But the modern G.O.P. doesn’t believe in following normal
>>             rules.
>>
>>             So what will happen if the ceiling isn’t raised? It has
>>             become fashionable on the right to assert that it would
>>             be no big deal. On Saturday the editorial page of The
>>             Wall Street Journal ridiculed those worried about the
>>             consequences of hitting the ceiling as the "Armageddon
>>             lobby."
>>
>>             It’s hard to know whether the "what, us worry?" types
>>             believe what they’re saying, or whether they’re just
>>             staking out a bargaining position. But in any case,
>>             they’re almost surely wrong: seriously bad consequences
>>             will follow if the debt ceiling isn’t raised.
>>
>>             For if we hit the debt ceiling, the government will be
>>             forced to stop paying roughly a third of its bills,
>>             because that’s the share of spending currently financed
>>             by borrowing. So will it stop sending out Social Security
>>             checks? Will it stop paying doctors and hospitals that
>>             treat Medicare patients? Will it stop paying the
>>             contractors supplying fuel and munitions to our military?
>>             Or will it stop paying interest on the debt?
>>
>>             Don’t say "none of the above." As I’ve written before,
>>             the federal government is basically an insurance company
>>             with an army, so I’ve just described all the major
>>             components of federal spending. At least one, and
>>             probably several, of these components will face payment
>>             stoppages if federal borrowing is cut off.
>>
>>             And what would such payment stops do to the economy?
>>             Nothing good. Consumer spending would probably crash, as
>>             nervous seniors started wondering how to pay for rent and
>>             food. Businesses that depend on government purchases
>>             would slash payrolls and cancel investments.
>>
>>             Furthermore, markets might well panic, especially if
>>             interest payments are missed. And the consequences of
>>             undermining faith in U.S. debt might be especially severe
>>             because that debt plays a crucial role in many financial
>>             transactions.
>>
>>             So hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad thing.
>>             Unfortunately, it may be unavoidable.
>>
>>             Why? Because this is a hostage situation. If the
>>             president and his allies operate on the principle that
>>             failure to raise the debt ceiling is an unthinkable
>>             outcome, to be avoided at all cost, then they have ceded
>>             all power to those willing to bring that outcome about.
>>             In effect, they will have ripped up the Constitution and
>>             given control over America’s government to a party that
>>             only controls one house of Congress, but claims to be
>>             willing to bring down the economy unless it gets what it
>>             wants.
>>
>>             Now, there are good reasons to believe that the G.O.P.
>>             isn’t nearly as willing to burn the house down as it
>>             claims. Business interests have made it clear that
>>             they’re horrified at the prospect of hitting the debt
>>             ceiling. Even the virulently anti-Obama U.S. Chamber of
>>             Commerce has urged Congress to raise the ceiling "as
>>             expeditiously as possible." And a confrontation over
>>             spending would only highlight the fact that Republicans
>>             won big last year largely by promising to protect
>>             Medicare, then promptly voted to dismantle the program.
>>
>>             But the president can’t call the extortionists’ bluff
>>             unless he’s willing to confront them, and accept the
>>             associated risks.
>>
>>             According to Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, Mr.
>>             Obama has told Democrats not to draw any "line in the
>>             sand" in debt negotiations. Well, count me among those
>>             who find this strategy completely baffling. At some point
>>             — and sooner rather than later — the president has to
>>             draw a line. Otherwise, he might as well move out of the
>>             White House, and hand the keys over to the Tea Party.
>>
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