[C38] eBay Starter?

[david at dlrfilms.com]

Good news!

The old starter is out, with about 2 dozen step by step photos.

The only truly puzzling part is the nut on the top of the unit.

Unlike the bottom, which is held in place with a bolt, and has enough
clearance for a tool, the top is a stud in the block with a nut and
washer.

There is not enough clearance to get a socket or wrench on it.

But.

If you have about 15" of extension, you can thread the socket in on a
slight angle in with the ratchet handle outside the forward part of the
engine.

The next puzzle is that as you loosen the nut, it binds the socket in place.

The solution is to pull the starter out as the nut loosens, keeping the
relationship of nut, starter, and socket constant. This gives just enough
clearance to remove the entire collection.

Of course once the starter clears the stud, everything comes apart and
fall deep under the engine where my short fat arms can't reach.

The other trick I used was to take a 12" piece of copper pipe and use it
to direct my fire onto the nut; without out the pipe, there would be no
way to put heat directly on the nut.

I'll make my photos up into a slide show and post on YouTube.

-D


>
> Hello again Dave,
>
> If that starter does fit your engine and it also has the solenoid already
> attached, it is a true bargain at $100.
>
> One standard procedure on any part replacement is to lay both old and new
> parts beside each other and look for anything that isn't identical.  I
> once
> had a technician in my shop NOT do this on a water pump replacement and
> the
> impeller on a remanufactured pump was a mirror image of what should have
> been on the pump.  The car overheated unless it was run at very low RPMs.
> It took a lot of wasted time to finally figure out why that car was still
> overheating after the pump replacement and all of other things in the
> cooling system checked out OK.
>
> One other word of caution.  Check the starter operation by connecting
> jumper cables to the starter, negative cable to the flange and the red
> positive cable to the solenoid post.  Have one person hold the starter
> very
> strongly while another person uses a screwdriver or other conductive
> object
> to short between the positive terminal on the solenoid and the small
> starter activation wire post.  You may need a small jumper cable to do
> this
> if the screwdriver won't reach between both posts.  This will check the
> solenoid and also the starter but hold onto the starter very strongly
> because the startup torque is pretty powerful.  A new starter will usually
> work but I wouldn't want to go through what it takes to install a starter
> on a 5424 and find out it has a problem.  I have seen new starter motors
> right out of a box which didn't work. It was usually a defective coil in
> the solenoid but it can happen.
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: <david at dlrfilms.com>
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Date: 7/7/2011 10:50:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C38] eBay Starter?
>>
>> Well the below starter checks out against the engine model number and
>> the
>> Universal part number.
>>
>> FYI, from Universal the starter is ~$2100
>>
>> From Torrensen Marine the API marine equivelant is $262, plus shipping
>> and
>> can't get here till Tuesday at the earliest.
>>
>> From Crank & Start it's $150 including overnight shipping to arrive
> tomorrow.
>>
>> So against the possiblity of losing/keeping some of this weekend's
>> business, I went ahead and ordered it. Cross your finger for me this
>> isn't
>> a "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably it is."
>>
>> The worst of it is, on a typical trip I don't need the motor but for
>> about
>> 30 seconds to get around one irksome bend in the channel.
>>
>> But then we're sailors, and we don't prepare for the typcial day, do we?
> ;-)
>>
>> -David
>>
>> > Up early worrying about today's adventure. Found this on eBay:
>> >
>> > http://bit.ly/nqvde6
>> >
>> > Says Universal M30 5424, but not being an engine guy, I don't know if
> that
>> > means it will fit.
>> >
>> > Advice welcome!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> So tomorrow morning I'm down to the boat, wrenches and sockets in
>> hand,
>> >> PB
>> >> Blaster and a MAP gas torch.
>> >>
>> >> Wish me luck!
>> >>
>> >>
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